ESB Luke vs Kanan and Ezra

Originally posted by Ziggystardust
"powerful" can be a nebulous term. Luke is certainly the most powerful opponent Vader has ever faced up until ESB. He's not the best fighter, however.

Fair enough.

Originally posted by DarthDuelist9
"Just accept it", yeah I like your argumentation.

An argument on par with your own kiddo.

Regardless, Kanan is meant to be an unremarkable Jedi. He isn’t supposed to be anywhere near Kenobi’s level. Plus, based on their respective fights with Vader, Kenobi (and ESB Luke) look significantly more impressive than this duo.

Originally posted by Ziggystardust
"powerful" can be a nebulous term. Luke is certainly the most powerful opponent Vader has ever faced up until ESB. He's not the best fighter, however.

Nah. If he was a useless fighter then he wouldn't be considers a "powerful" Jedi.

Team wins.

Originally posted by Darth Thor
Legends has ESB Luke as the most powerful Jedi Vader has ever faced.

Or some nonsense like that.

Originally posted by Dark-Kenshin
Wouldn't that mean ESB Luke > Ahsoka? Galen Marek too I guess if we count legends. 😕

In Legends, and if we take that quote literally, then yes.

You can't really use that quote for characters that were created years later, that would be ripping it out of it's context.

Originally posted by DarthDuelist9
You can't really use that quote for characters that were created years later, that would be ripping it out of it's context.

True.

But Kenobi still existed.

Originally posted by Darth Thor
Nah. If he was a useless fighter then he wouldn't be considers a "powerful" Jedi.

Useless is a stretch, the most inexperienced and untrained fighter Vader has ever battled however, is quite accurate. Which is why "power" is probably being used in a latent term to describe something that hasn't matured. You might understand it in a similar respect to Vader confronting Kento Marek, having him gripped in a Force choke and sensing some far more powerful near by, that person being a (7?) year old Galen Marek. I hope you get the point here, power isn't always something that manifests itself in mastery of the Force, but rather something that can be sensed, a blueprint of what will become in later years.

Originally posted by Darth Thor
True.

But Kenobi still existed.

Agreed, but what has Kenobi done at that point? The PT wasn't released yet nor any other notable sources on him IIRC.

Originally posted by Ziggystardust
Useless is a stretch, the most inexperienced and untrained fighter Vader has ever battled however, is quite accurate. Which is why "power" is probably being used in a latent term to describe something that hasn't matured. You might understand it in a similar respect to Vader confronting Kento Marek, having him gripped in a Force choke and sensing some far more powerful near by, that person being a (7?) year old Galen Marek. I hope you get the point here, power isn't always something that manifests itself in mastery of the Force, but rather something that can be sensed, a blueprint of what will become in later years.

Yes, finally someone who understands context 😄

Originally posted by DarthDuelist9
Agreed, but what has Kenobi done at that point? The PT wasn't released yet nor any other notable sources on him IIRC.

Umm, back then, Kenobi was an even bigger deal than he is in the modern days, lmao.

Originally posted by Deronn_solo
Umm, back then, Kenobi was an even bigger deal than he is in the modern days, lmao.

Such as?