Obi Wan Kenobi (RotS) vs. Darth Maul (SoD)

Originally posted by The Ellimist
Dooku's reaction to him in the RotS novelization.

Originally posted by Beniboybling
Retconned, naturally.

How was it retconned? We know that Anakin grew immensely from TCW to RotS, so it isn't too outlandish to think Kenobi did as well; at the least, since the novelization makes it clear he had, there's no reason to believe otherwise.

The retcon here is that Dooku was referring to TCW -> RotS, not AotC -> RotS.

Just because Anakin grew immensely doesn't mean Kenobi would have.

Originally posted by The Ellimist
How was it retconned? We know that Anakin grew immensely from TCW to RotS, so it isn't too outlandish to think Kenobi did as well; at the least, since the novelization makes it clear he had, there's no reason to believe otherwise.

The retcon here is that Dooku was referring to TCW -> RotS, not AotC -> RotS.

And Kenobi is not the Chosen One, so yes it's outlandish.

Originally posted by |King Joker|
Just because Anakin grew immensely doesn't mean Kenobi would have.

But it lends credibility to the novelization's point that Kenobi has, which stands on its own anyway.

Originally posted by Beniboybling
Because in Canon he was not caught off-guard, having fought Kenobi prior. But then we can't mix continuities like that anyway.

The RotS novelization exists in both.

Kenobi is not the Chosen One, so yes its outlandish.

It's outlandish that he improved over time?

In either case, it's not just my idea - it's Dooku's.

Originally posted by |King Joker|
Just because Anakin grew immensely doesn't mean Kenobi would have.

Sure, give a reason why Kenobi would've stagnated when they were literally doing the same thing.

Originally posted by cs_zoltan
Sure, give a reason why Kenobi would've stagnated when they were literally doing the same thing.

Originally posted by |King Joker|
Quote me saying Kenobi stagnated.

I didn't use Anakin's growth as proof that Kenobi had, lol.

Originally posted by |King Joker|
Quote me saying Kenobi stagnated.

Your phrasing is shit, I thought you mean Kenobi didn't grow at all, not that he didn't grow immensely. In which case I agree, he can't replicate Anakin's learning curve, but he still improved.

Originally posted by The Ellimist
The RotS novelization exists in both.

It's outlandish that he improved over time?

In either case, it's not just my idea - it's Dooku's.

Originally posted by Beniboybling
No it doesn't.

It does. It's been confirmed as canon, and it was C canon under the EU, so it's still a part of Legends.

It's outlandish that he improved to the same or even similar degree to Anakin.

I don't think I said that (Anakin's improvement was simply legendary); but he did improve by enough for Dooku to notice.

Originally posted by The Ellimist
It does. It's been confirmed as canon, and it was C canon under the EU, so it's still a part of Legends.

I don't think I said that (Anakin's improvement was simply legendary); but he did improve by enough for Dooku to notice.

Beni seriously thinks Kenobi didn't improve during the Outer Rim Sieges? Lmao!

"Aligns with" likely means "not contradicted"; if it has to already be in the film, there would be no point in calling it canon or non-canon as it would add no new information.

It doesn't, and I really don't know why people delude themselves into thinking otherwise.

But well done yeah, the novelisations are basically Legends.

Originally posted by cs_zoltan
Beni seriously thinks Kenobi didn't improve during the Outer Rim Sieges? Lmao!

Originally posted by |King Joker|
Quote me

Kenobi takes all three. He's got "how to beat Maul" down to a blueprint that even a Padawan can follow with some success.

Originally posted by Beniboybling
It doesn't, and I really don't know why people delude themselves into thinking otherwise.

But well done yeah, the novelisations are basically Legends.

Lol, if your interpretation of "aligns" is, by your own admission, meaningless, then we should defer to mine, which makes sense.

1. Maul ragdolls like always.
2. Either way, maybe Kenobi.
3. Maul.