Originally posted by apex_pretador
Or simply thing isn't that much outclassed even underwater that namor is unbeatable.
If anything, namor KO ing hulk sounds heavy outlier.
pretty much. herc has stalemated namor on land and been shown to be stronger than he is underwater, performing a feat namor couldn't. there are times when namor has been shown to be much stronger underwater than he is on land, and other times it's close. he really isn't much stronger at all if he's been out of water for only a short time. ben has fought him probably a dozen times and like i said, historically it's always been pretty close. ben fought him underwater once and it was more namor's speed and ability to maneuver than his strength that was a difference in that fight.
and his beating the hulk gets so overblown. that was a very old hulk, before his powerset was as defined as it would later become. thor has ko'd namor with a single hit in the rain. ironman, in one of his first armors, matched namor back in the day. more recently you've had his battles against cage, and black panther to further show his, at times, inconsistent level.
with all that, do i think ben should have beat him underwater? no. but am i wtf stunned, shocked and ready to scream pis?? no, not at all. look back honestly at the history of the characters and i don't think ben beating him is all that turrible. /shrug
Namor fought thor to stalemate underwater. Fought herc and avengers underwater. Koed hulk/fought hulk and stalemated abom underwater. Namor has fought the entire F4 and KOed an amped thing outside of water. Lets not only use low showings to estimate a characters power, mkay? You guys a super namor cynics apparently..
Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
Namor still got up pretty quickly in that rain fight, iirc.Abhi was even trying to bust the whole one-hit-ko myth and was doing pretty good. Never trust thor to get a single thing done.
The bottom scan is what happened right after Thor hit. Thor even mentions Namor strength increasing and Namor himself tells us he was weakened.
Originally posted by namorsubby
Namor fought thor to stalemate underwater. Fought herc and avengers underwater. Koed hulk/fought hulk and stalemated abom underwater. Namor has fought the entire F4 and KOed an amped thing outside of water. Lets not only use low showings to estimate a characters power, mkay? You guys a super namor cynics apparently..
not a cynic at all. but looking at only his high feats is as bad as focusing only on his low ones. which i don't think i have. fact is, thor has made namor look pretty silly on a couple occasions (do i even need to bring up the cape toss??). namor has done pretty well a couple times. how is one low balling and the other NOT high balling, exactly...? namor has never ko'd thor. fighting to stalemates is a dime-a-dozen feat. think about guys in very different tiers who have stalemated in fights. how many times has daredevil stalemated/looked BETTER than spiderman for example? there are literally countless examples. stalemating someone is almost meaningless.
he beat abomination, which is a good win, but the fact remains that historically namor and ben have had classic marvel battles. ben has a crazy record so hardly shameful in my eyes. wonderman has ko'd namor. does that mean that simon>namor? not necessarily, but it happened, and i don't think bringing it up is low balling. it simply shows that namor's strength has been portrayed a bit inconsistently, even at times, underwater. one of his more impressive showings was against stark not too long ago. really he has showings all over the place. good showings against black bolt for example, and less than great showings. looking at only one side is as bad as accusing others of only looking at the other side.
he's strong. out of water i think he and ben are really close, and historically that has been born out. again, in water, he should win, but i've seen enough of namor to know that ben beating him underwater isn't the appalling loss some do. /shrug
as for the thread--he has almost no chance in this fight. in straight h2h he could last for a while but he is fighting out of his weight class here.
lol hope you don't think i was making that feat out to be something it wasn't. i've always found the cape toss to be far worse than that rain shot....
namor is tough to gauge at times because he does have some good feats but lots of other mitigating feats as well. at his best he'd give glads a good work out in straight h2h. on average, glads handles him similar to how he handled wonderman in h2h. least imo.