Why Valkorion is more powerful than Palpatine.

Originally posted by AncientPower
They are one in the same,

Perhaps in the language used by the voices in your head, but not in English.

Originally posted by AncientPower
the nexus of Nathema was so large and powerful, that it was capable of consuming the very presence of the Force itself. Not to mention all flora and fauna on the planet's surface:

And yet, as 'Strap has pointed out, the Force exists on Nathema.

Originally posted by AncientPower
Something far beyond the power of Sidious' chaotic nexus:

The difference is that Sidious is explicitly identified as the nexus in question whereas Vitiate is not.

Originally posted by AncientPower
You assume immortality and becoming an omniscient being, are one in the same. He intended to become a God with his galactic scale ritual, whereas at Ziost he achieved a measure of incorporeal immortality:

I assume nothing of the sort. I merely provided multiple sources that indicate Vitiate never actually achieved either; the ritual on Nathema only prolonged his life.

Originally posted by AncientPower
Something Darth Plagueis never achieved and Sidious was only capable of an archaic iteration of.

The use of a physical body is exactly why the likes of Freedon Nadd and others were incapable of bringing themselves back from death, it is well documented that spirits have limitations:

How well this applies to the Sith Emperor is debatable, but enacting a ritual requires a physical manifestation.

The distinction is between worlds rumored to have been ravaged by rituals(Nathema, Ambria) and devices such as that which Revan and Ulic used, comparatively Ziost was a clear display of extreme dark side power.

More importantly we know that it wasn't the same ritual as that which Vitiate used at Nathema, Nathema was described as being consumed by the largest dark side nexus the galaxy would ever see. Ziost was quite clearly subject to what resembled a death field.

One red herring deserves another. None of that has anything to do with anything I said to you.

You claimed SWTOR isn't Legends; I've debunked that. You claimed Nathema was called the most powerful nexus ever; I've debunked that. You claimed Vitiate achieved immortality from the Nathema ritual; I've debunked that.

Address my points or concede, but don't waste your time or mine with that shit.

Vitiate became immortal in regards to age, TBH. That being said, he had yet to achieve true immortality (i.e. can't die in general).

Who the **** are all these character?!

Originally posted by DarthAnt66
Vitiate became immortal in regards to age, TBH. That being said, he had yet to achieve true immortality (i.e. can't die in general).

Nah. The sources say the ritual prolonged his life for centuries, but the distinction is continuously made: he has not achieved immortality.

Prolonging his life, which is later clarified as corporeal immortality but not invulnerability.

Originally posted by AncientPower
Prolonging his life, which is later clarified as corporeal immortality but not invulnerability.

Originally posted by quanchi112
If you can prove this then the Sheevites are done.

Among them, the only individual worth responding to is SunRazer. The rest have lost it.

On topic:

Nathema: Once known as Medriaas, Nathema was an agriworld of the Sith Empire at a time when Sith also controlled the Chorlian sector. An ancient Dark Lord of the Sith named Darth Vitiate destroyed all life on Nathema with a ritual designed to grant him immortality. A transcription of this ritual was recorded by Darth Revan and served as the inspiration for Lord Kaan's thought bomb on Ruusan.

From (Star Wars: Force and Destiny - Core Rulebook)

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It was a husk sucked dry. Lord Vitiate sacrificed millions, stealing their life force to make himself immortal. Their deaths also made him stronger than any Sith who had come before, and he ceased to be known as Lord Vitiate. On that day, the Emperor was truly born.

From (Darth Nyriss, Star Wars: The Old Republic: Revan)

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The Emperor was no longer a member of the Sith species; his power and immortality had transformed him into a being unique in the galaxy.

From (Star Wars: The Old Republic: Revan)

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Under the guidance of the Emperor—the immortal and all-powerful savior who still reigned over them even after a thousand years—they abandoned the hedonistic lifestyles of their barbaric ancestors.

From (Star Wars: The Old Republic: Revan)

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The Sith Empire's exile dragged on for centuries. While the military, navy, and Sith grew strong, the Emperor amassed unfathomable power and plotted a vengeful war against the Republic. He ruled from the privacy of his chambers in the Citadel, his life extended to virtual immortality by Sith sorcery.

From (Star Wars: The Old Republic: Encyclopedia)

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All of the aforementioned references indicate that Vitiate achieved corporeal immortality like The Ones or any other entity. It is an achievement greater than that of any Sith Lord in the domain.

However, a revelation is that no entity can achieve true immortality (in Star Wars). This is apparent from the fact that even The Father (believed to be the most powerful Force-user ever) was dying during the era of Anakin Skywalker.

Lol.

- says "designed to"
- fallible narrator
- fallible narrator
- fallible narrator
- literally defeats your point by using the qualifier "virtual"

Meanwhile, it's repeatedly stated that the ritual merely prolonged Vitiate's life. He's just not on the same level as Plagueis, let alone Palpatine.

Originally posted by The Ellimist
- says "designed to"
- fallible narrator
- fallible narrator
- fallible narrator
- literally defeats your point by using the qualifier "virtual"

Originally posted by The Ellimist
Meanwhile, it's repeatedly stated that the ritual merely prolonged Vitiate's life.

Originally posted by The Ellimist
He's just not on the same level as Plagueis, let alone Palpatine.

Provide solid evidence; not some bullshit blurb.

Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD
1. And it did.

Nice exercise in circularity there.

2. Next time, you cite opinion of a character as evidence, I will dismiss it.

When you're citing the opinion of someone who lived thousands of years after the fact and conceded in the same passage that she couldn't verify anything she was saying over the statement of a neutral narrator, sure, I'm going to dismiss it. 👆

3. Wrong! This statement represents authorial intent.
4. Wrong! This statement represents authorial intent.

Yet it's contradicted by explicit statements saying that the ritual merely prolonged his lifespan.

5. This is the reality for every entity in Star Wars. The Ones were also virtually immortal.

So why cite it as evidence for your case? At best it does nothing, because you've no idea what "virtual immortality" means.

A demonstration of corporeal immortality.

Um, no. That's not what "prolong by centuries" means. That's not biological immortality, that's just a very long life.

When have they ever managed to prolong their corporeal life?

Plagueis made himself biologically immortal through midichlorian manipulation. It took Vitiate over a century and a massive ritual to merely prolong his own.

Provide solid evidence; not some bullshit blurb.

Sorry, but just dismissing evidence because you don't like it doesn't fly here.

Whenever Ancientpower or Legend post I can hear in my head the sound effects that they used in the Three Stooges while they click typing terrible responses that are easily shot down.

Originally posted by The Ellimist
Nice exercise in circularity there.

The Emperor is one thousand years old. In a dark side ritual, he drained the life of his home planet, to achieve immortality.

Taken from Star Wars: The Essential Reader's Companion*

*This source represents real-world perspective of Star Wars content.

😂

Originally posted by The Ellimist
When you're citing the opinion of someone who lived thousands of years after the fact and conceded in the same passage that she couldn't verify anything she was saying over the statement of a neutral narrator, sure, I'm going to dismiss it. 👆

The Emperor was 1000 years old during her time. He was untouched by age and decay. How would you perceive such an individual? Corporeal immortality would come to mind.

Darth Nyriss might be a Sith but she has common sense; something you lack in real-life.

Originally posted by The Ellimist
Yet it's contradicted by explicit statements saying that the ritual merely prolonged his lifespan.

Originally posted by The Ellimist
So why cite it as evidence for your case? At best it does nothing, because you've no idea what "virtual immortality" means.

Originally posted by The Ellimist
Um, no. That's not what "prolong by centuries" means. That's not biological immortality, that's just a very long life.

Servants of the Hand share their Master's longevity, living untouched by age for centuries under his command.

From Star Wars: The Old Republic: Encyclopedia

Your point is moot.

Originally posted by The Ellimist
Plagueis made himself biologically immortal through midichlorian manipulation.

Originally posted by The Ellimist
It took Vitiate over a century and a massive ritual to merely prolong his own.

Vitiate Nathema-fied his homeworld during the era of Great Hyperspace War; he achieved corporeal immortality through it.

Originally posted by The Ellimist
Sorry, but just dismissing evidence because you don't like it doesn't fly here.

Originally posted by carthage
Whenever Ancientpower or Legend post I can hear in my head the sound effects that they used in the Three Stooges while they click typing terrible responses that are easily shot down.

Originally posted by carthage
Whenever Ancientpower or Legend post I can hear in my head the sound effects that they used in the Three Stooges while they click typing terrible responses that are easily shot down.

Do you really Skype with 15 year olds?

Goddamn it who told you that

What goes on between Quan and the patrons of his CP ring is none of my business

Originally posted by carthage
Do you really Skype with 15 year olds?

Answer the question, predator!

He skypes with me but I'm legal. 😉