Super Saiyan Red vs Super Saiyan Blue

Very doubtfu honestlyl. Goku wasnt even at full power even when both beyond 100%. Gokus power showed no signs of straining at that level so its reasonable to assume he could keep going.

Also Beerus had been dreaming about this fight.

I expect to see a major correction tomorrow regarding SSR and blue. I predict SSR will be > Blue, and clearly shown to be.

Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
Perhaps Beerus' been working out.

Or he was just toying with Goku then.

Didn't Beerus sleep for a long time before going to earth?

Yes but sleeping played no part in it.

Originally posted by Sable
Very doubtfu honestlyl. Goku wasnt even at full power even when both beyond 100%. Gokus power showed no signs of straining at that level so its reasonable to assume he could keep going.

Also Beerus had been dreaming about this fight.

I expect to see a major correction tomorrow regarding SSR and blue. I predict SSR will be > Blue, and clearly shown to be.

I was wrong, but I am glad I was. Akira def has this on lockdown.

I love the fact he can go SSG on his own now and use SSB when he needs the extra strength.

But the fact alone he can stay in SSR as a base form now which is insane on its own, but that it conserves power is legitimately insane

As a Super Saiyan God, he went beyond 100% so this new idea he can easily stay as a SSG and go blue when he needs to is just bad ass.

>"new idea"

>stolen from Toyotaro's version of an earlier fight

Toyotaros version?

Originally posted by Sable
Toyotaros version?

Toyotaro is the mangaka. The whole "fighting with God form, then switching to Blue at the moment of attack" strategy was something Goku touched on during the U6 tournament, and Vegeta perfected against Goku Black in the manga.

Honestly, Super's transformation system is basically the same as EoZ's.

Base = Base (no surprises there)
SSJ = SSJ (no surprises there)
SSJ2 = ASSJ (irrelevant transformation)
SSJ3 = USSJ (stronger irrelevant transformation)
SSJG = SSJ2 (special transformation that was hyped to hell at first then became standard)
SSJB = SSJ3 (strongest transformation but with severe power drain)

Nothing's changed at all, despite everything. "Limit Breaker" will probably be just like Mystic/Ultimate in practice, too. 😂

Well at least the writing stays consistent on up the power chart when you break it down like that.

Well, not really. Even though we know that SSJ2 and SSJ3 are irrelevant transformations now, we weren't given any explanation as to why that is.

This series is one giant headache, sigh.

Im loving it. Stop hating. Open your heart.

Originally posted by NewGuy01
Well, not really. Even though we know that SSJ2 and SSJ3 are irrelevant transformations now, we weren't given any explanation as to why that is.

Because hes got SSG and SSGSS now.

Originally posted by Sable
Because hes got SSG and SSGSS now.

Except ever since BoG, SSG hasn't even been that much stronger than SSJ1. SSJ1 Goku was around the same power level as 10% Blue Vegeta during the Universe 6 tournament. Going by your multipliers, SSJ3 would be almost as strong as Blue in that case...

Originally posted by Sable
Im loving it. Stop hating. Open your heart.

Stilts a hater. 🙁

Originally posted by NewGuy01
Except ever since BoG, SSG hasn't even been that much stronger than SSJ1. SSJ1 Goku was around the same power level as 10% Blue Vegeta during the Universe 6 tournament. Going by your multipliers, SSJ3 would be almost as strong as Blue in that case...

Jesus!!! doh

Originally posted by cdtm
Stilts a hater. 🙁

I know

The OP's logic is sound on paper, but what he's forgetting is that this show is simply badly written and that stuff simply happens without rhyme or reason for the sake of the plot. SSB > SSG is one such example. We're told one form is stronger than the other, so we have to accept it. We're also told that Beerus wasn't even trying in his fight with Goku and that the 70% figure is BS, so we have to accept that too.