Originally posted by SurturIf Hillary won the electoral college but lost popular vote I'd still be a bit miffed at our state of affairs because that's not supposed to happen. And if Trump won the popular vote his victory would definitely be more legitimate.
Do you think these same people would be calling for a revolution if Hilary lost the popular vote, but won the election via the electoral college? Genuinely curious on your take on that.
Originally posted by Firefly218
If Hillary won the electoral college but lost popular vote I'd still be a bit miffed at our state of affairs because that's not supposed to happen. And if Trump won the popular vote his victory would definitely be more legitimate.
I didn't mean you specifically. I'm just saying after this election we have seen a lot of people speak out against the EC. I voted for Trump and I also don't like the EC. But I just can't help but think some of these people would be praising the EC if it kept Trump out of the White House.
Originally posted by SurturNot at all. The electoral college is the only thing that keeps the rural Midwest relevant. Without electoral college the democrats would win with California every cycle. Clinton winning with EC but losing popular vote somehow is extremely unlikely
I didn't mean you specifically. I'm just saying after this election we have seen a lot of people speak out against the EC. I voted for Trump and I also don't like the EC. But I just can't help but think some of these people would be praising the EC if it kept Trump out of the White House.
Originally posted by Firefly218
Not at all. The electoral college is the only thing that keeps the rural Midwest relevant. Without electoral college the democrats would win with California every cycle. Clinton winning with EC but losing popular vote somehow is extremely unlikely
So you think people in general would be just as eager to get rid of it if she had lost the popular vote but won the EC? Interesting. I suppose perhaps they indeed might feel it's worth it to nix it.
Originally posted by SurturI think people would still wanna get rid of it, but they'd be less passionate
So you think people in general would be just as eager to get rid of it if she had lost the popular vote but won the EC? Interesting. I suppose perhaps they indeed might feel it's worth it to nix it.
It seems like for the most part the EC has never been a huge issue. Most likely due to the fact that it's rare for someone to win the popular vote, but not the election.
Now of course it has happened to Hilary and we already have senators putting forth bills to get rid of the EC. Though I do support such a bill.
Originally posted by Bashar Teg
"Since you can't prove how millions of people would react in my hypothetical situation, that means I win." *honk honk*
Originally posted by Silent MasterThe same thing happened to Al Gore in 2000, he won the popular vote but lost to Bush because of Florida. And I think we're all the worst for it.
I just asked for proof they were against the EC before Hillary lost, all you'd have to do is post examples of their protests or petitions that happened before this Election. seems like a rather simple thing to prove.
Originally posted by Silent MasterDems are against it because the majority is with them. Republicans have maintained power ironically through minority rule. Also lots of cheating with gerrymandering, voter suppression and powerful lobbyists.
I see, you're saying that Dems are only against the EC when it costs their candidates an election.
Originally posted by Silent MasterNo that's not what I said. I was saying the majority of Americans are liberal, which is why the Democratic Party hates the electoral college. You get rid of EC then the democrats carry every election with California, NY and half of Texas.
I'd like to see proof that the majority of Americans are against the EC, because so far it just appears to be people that are upset that their candidate lost.
That is exactly what you said, here I'll re-quote the conversation.
Originally posted by Silent Master
I see, you're saying that Dems are only against the EC when it costs their candidates an election.
Originally posted by Firefly218
Dems are against it because the majority is with them. Republicans have maintained power ironically through minority rule. Also lots of cheating with gerrymandering, voter suppression and powerful lobbyists.
I'd still like to see proof that the majority of Americans are against the EC.
Originally posted by Silent MasterYes I did say the majority of Americans are with the Democrats. I didn't say a majority of Americans are against the electoral college, most ppl barely know what it is.
That is exactly what you said, here I'll re-quote the conversation.I'd still like to see proof that the majority of Americans are against the EC.
the majority of Americans are against the electoral college
Americans are nearly as open to major electoral reform when it comes to doing away with the Electoral College. Sixty-three percent would abolish this unique, but sometimes controversial, mechanism for electing presidents that was devised by the framers of the Constitution.
http://www.gallup.com/poll/159881/americans-call-term-limits-end-electoral-college.aspx