Originally posted by Surtur
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Originally posted by Surtur
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Originally posted by Surtur
Nope, it was based on Clintons corruption,
Trump isn't corrupt? The guy who refused to pay his workers, dodged paying federal income taxes for 18 years, created a fake university that preyed on veterans and poor people, and conspired to prevent black people from purchasing his housing? You realize the guy has literally been sued thousands of times before, right? 🙄
lies,
Trump isn't a liar? Pretty much every reputable fact checker lists him as the most consistently dishonest politician we've ever seen. He lies far more frequently than Hillary - that's not an opinion, it's an empirical observation that we can track and measure.
and the overall ignorance of the democratic party about what the people want.
You mean what white working class people want. Because Trump certainly isn't appealing to minorities, Muslims, or immigrants.
I wasn't sure if he would or would not stick to 100% of what he said. What I am saying is that since he has already at least claimed he is willing to compromise on some issues that we can't truly be sure what he is going to do.
And you think enormous uncertainty around the authenticity of the commander in chief is a good thing?
Wait - weren't you just accusing Hillary of being a liar? Now you're admitting that Trump might actually have lied on literally the campaign promises that got him the nomination in the first place? Seriously, every time I see you try to put forward an argument, I feel billions of years of evolution just turning backwards.
The backlash he'd receive over the Paris thing would be absolutely tremendous.
Backlash from who? Since when does his voter base care about the environment?
At this point nobody can predict exactly what he will or will not do. So some people need to stop pretending like they can, as we've seen with this election..sometimes people can be very wrong about how a situation will turn out.
Wait, we'd only not be able to predict that if he were being dishonest...but your whole case against voting for Hillary was based on her dishonesty. mmm
Originally posted by The Ellimist
[B]Trump isn't corrupt? The guy who refused to pay his workers, dodged paying federal income taxes for 18 years, created a fake university that preyed on veterans and poor people, and conspired to prevent black people from purchasing his housing? You realize the guy has literally been sued thousands of times before, right? 🙄
But you didn't ask me if I was aware of any of those things. What you asked was if I chose him over Hilary based on a gamble about him and the Paris Accords.
You seem to think I feel Trump is squeaky clean.
Trump isn't a liar? Pretty much every reputable fact checker lists him as the most consistently dishonest politician we've ever seen. He lies far more frequently than Hillary - that's not an opinion, it's an empirical observation that we can track and measure.
But I never actually said Trump never lied.
You mean what white working class people want. Because Trump certainly isn't appealing to minorities, Muslims, or immigrants.
In your opinion what did the minorities and Muslims who voted for him..see in him?
And you think enormous uncertainty around the authenticity of the commander in chief is a good thing?
Did I say it was?
Wait - weren't you just accusing Hillary of being a liar? Now you're admitting that Trump might actually have lied on literally the campaign promises that got him the nomination in the first place? Seriously, every time I see you try to put forward an argument, I feel billions of years of evolution just turning backwards.
You almost make me believe in God because nearly every single time you attempt to act smug and insult the intelligence of others you just trip and fall flat on your face.
The post you are quoting was you asking me why I chose to vote Trump over Hilary. So I was trying to tell you why I chose him over her, and then you act like me admitting Trump may have lied on campaign promises shatters something when..I wouldn't have known he would do that when I actually voted for him. You do understand that, right? That at the time I cast my ballot Trump was not yet the president and thus hadn't said anything about campaign promises?
Originally posted by Surtur
But you didn't ask me if I was aware of any of those things. What you asked was if I chose him over Hilary based on a gamble about him and the Paris Accords.
Are you drunk? We're talking about why you chose Trump over Hillary - i.e., a comparative question. If you fail to explain how Trump was any better in a category - and you didn't even try in your reply, then that category is a wash at best for you, and thus irrelevant to your point.
You seem to think I feel Trump is squeaky clean.But I never actually said Trump never lied.
See above. As usual, you make errors in basic argumentation to the point where the underlying political discussion is meaningless; we're just stopping at the "how to make comparisons" manual.
In your opinion what did the minorities and Muslims who voted for him..see in him?
More of them voted for Hillary than did Trump. The question is comparative. Duh.
Did I say it was?
Yes, because you're using this to defend him. Do you not understand your own arguments?
You almost make me believe in God because nearly every single time you attempt to act smug and insult the intelligence of others you just trip and fall flat on your face.The post you are quoting was you asking me why I chose to vote Trump over Hilary. So I was trying to tell you why I chose him over her, and then you act like me admitting Trump may have lied on campaign promises shatters something when..I wouldn't have known he would do that when I actually voted for him. You do understand that, right? That at the time I cast my ballot Trump was not yet the president and thus hadn't said anything about campaign promises?
You read a point that Trump lies more than Hillary, and yet couldn't figure out how that would be relevant to a comparison between the two. This is why I insult your intelligence.
Originally posted by Surtur
What I was saying to you is that I never said the guy didn't lie.
But you obviously don't think he lies as much as her. Either that, or you honestly can't figure out why bringing up a flaw Hillary has that Trump also has doesn't prove anything about her being worse than him. The rhetorical "Trump doesn't lie?" opener obviously wasn't the thrust of my rebuttal; are you incapable of figuring that out, or were you just nitpicking to get out of defending yourself?
Originally posted by The Ellimist
But you obviously don't think he lies as much as her. Either that, or you honestly can't figure out why bringing up a flaw Hillary has that Trump also has doesn't prove anything about her being worse than him. The rhetorical "Trump doesn't lie?" opener obviously wasn't the thrust of my rebuttal; are you incapable of figuring that out, or were you just nitpicking to get out of defending yourself?
The answer to both your questions is no.
Well worst president in my life time is at it again, in Germany defending the anti-Trump protesters (anti-Republic rioters really), saying "I wouldn't advise them to be silent", Oh don't worry jackass they aren't being silent, they are tearing things up, slowing everything down, one person's dead, and making America look like a 3rd world country. Also calling America a Democracy when its a Republic is nearly treason. He can't be gone soon enough!
Originally posted by kevdude
Well worst president in my life time is at it again, in Germany defending the anti-Trump protesters (anti-Republic rioters really), saying "I wouldn't advise them to be silent", Oh don't worry jackass they aren't being silent, they are tearing things up, slowing everything down, one person's dead, and making America look like a 3rd world country. Also calling America a Democracy when its a Republic is nearly treason. He can't be gone soon enough!
Imagine if American's made a stink about the election of a Prime Minister or something?
Bet we'd be getting counter protestor's here and abroad saying we don't respect sovereignty.
He wouldn't advise them to be silent, has Obama or ANYONE condemned this violence? Condemned the people saying "not my president" ?
I know right after the election Hilary said we have to come together and all that, but have they specifically denounced this violence and this refusal to accept? Told people not to block highways and all this?
You people are hilarious. The White House has said 'the freedom to protest should be exercised without violence' and that's exactly right. The protestors have every right to protest peacefully, your tears at them protesting and your attempts to lump them all together as vandals is both funny and expected. Carry on.
Originally posted by FlyattractorLeft wing protestors don't stand for vandalism or violence, they stand for equal rights and fighting global warming.
[b]Yes. Its wrong to lump Left Wng Protesters all in one lump.But its still ok to do it to Right Wing Protesters.
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Same applies to right wing protestors, they don't stand for vandalism or violence. They stand for racism and not letting gays marry...
