Originally posted by cs_zoltanIt's not even a case of bias; Krayt has Maul beat in every important area.
Lmao, the irony. Not even ILS believes Maul wins. That should tell you how biased your ass is.
TK: Leave out the Satellite scaling if you want, even though there's nothing wrong with it. Vong Krayt's TK "far surpasses" everyone in his Sith's order. That includes Wyyrlok, who is more powerful than anyone in the Order barring Krayt.
That includes Nihl, who choked out Cade Skywalker; say what you want about this showing, if you're arguing from Maul's viewpoint and you want to bring up choking Obi-Wan, you need to accept Nihl's feat to avoid hypocrisy. A point I would make for the feat is the fact that we've seen Starkiller break out of Vader's chokehold after he was caught in it, and caught off-guard like Cade, and we've also had Caedus musing that he could try and break out of Luke's TK hold over him, just that he wasn't strong enough. The excuse that "Cade was unprepared" would need better justification to pass, for me.
And Cade, as some may know, threw a starship off into the horizon, out of sight. This was at the beginning of the series. It was his first use of TK after about 7 years of trying to numb himself to the Force with drugs. Nihl choked him after being retrained as a Jedi.
In other words, Vong Krayt is at the top of a pile of very powerful people, head and shoulders.
Lightning: Much more powerful than Wyyrlok's according to Fact File. Wyyrlok's lightning has shattered stone pillars, and killed nearly a dozen Force sensitives.
Sabers: Defeated Cade Skywalker, who in one sitting clearly defeated both Talon and Nihl. Talon single handedly held off Shado Vao and Wolf Sazen in saber combat and then took them both out with TK/Lightning. These two Jedi have fought together for years and have a long history of killing Sith while badly outnumbered, Shado in particular is suggested to be something of a lightsaber savant with his "has yet to meet his equal with a blade" accolade.
Nihl is better than Talon.
Also, A'Sharad Hett put up a very respectable fight against Obi-Wan literally over a century before his incarnation in this thread. During that time he "killed countless opponents [which included Jedi]" and "perfected his combat skills". In addition to his added combat experience and training (which facilitates growth in power and lightsaber skill), he grew far more powerful as a Sith, which would aid him with augmenting himself and anticipating opponents in combat via precog.
As for the fight with Kenobi itself, I'll address some common discrepancies. "The sand gave Hett an unfair advantage". Yes, he was a little more familiar on sand, but Obi-Wan wasn't hindered, because as we've seen, the likes of Maul and Qui-Gon had no issue adapting to the sand on Tatooine. "Obi-Wan was holding back until he got serious." There's no basis for him holding back in a life threatening situation. The momentum in fights change all the time for any number of reasons; just because you can isolate that Obi-Wan "got serious" after thinking of Luke, it doesn't mean he was holding back. That's something Obi-Wan would do in any fight scenario.
Then factor in that Krayt has a myriad of knowledge on the Sith techniques Maul lacks, including Force Drain which he was able to use against Abeloth and Luke Skywalker.
Speaking of Luke, we can mention that after he and Krayt fought Abeloth, both had suffered massive physical wounds, which were stated to be roughly equivalent (to the point neither could continue fighting each other). The difference was that Krayt got up and started walking soon after, meanwhile Luke was ready to accept death until the ghost of Mara encouraged him. Granted, Krayt as a Sith can feed off of pain for strength where Luke can't, but we're still talking about fricking Luke.
Fair enough then, agree with all but this.
Originally posted by ILSAs for the fight with Kenobi itself, I'll address some common discrepancies. "The sand gave Hett an unfair advantage". Yes, he was a little more familiar on sand, but Obi-Wan wasn't hindered, because as we've seen, the likes of Maul and Qui-Gon had no issue adapting to the sand on Tatooine. "Obi-Wan was holding back until he got serious." There's no basis for him holding back in a life threatening situation. The momentum in fights change all the time for any number of reasons; just because you can isolate that Obi-Wan "got serious" after thinking of Luke, it doesn't mean he was holding back. That's something Obi-Wan would do in any fight scenario.
First, the novel still depicts that Hett has an advantage because he was more adept at fighting in the sands, you can't deny that since that's what the novel said. Second, it's obvious that he goes all out when he thinks about Luke or is it just coincidental that he moment he realizes he needs to defeat Hett for Luke's safety (= giving Obi-Wan a reason to actually try to kill Hett), he defeats him in a couple of moves? Doubt it, Hett was outmatched and outclassed when Obi-Wan actually considered a life or death situation where he had no other choice then to kill him.