Originally posted by Kotor3
The Hulk is dumb and has always been. I'm not sure how you see him as otherwise. He has always been about Brute strength.Please describe an example where Hulk does not charge forward without thinking into battle. I do not recall any.
Norton Hulk made a metal shield to protect him against the sonic canon.
He realised brute strength wasn't enough & showed he had the intelligence to deflect the sonic wave away from him.
Originally posted by Esau CairnYeah, I forgot a few scenes where the Hulk used strategy and intelligence. Still, it has never increased his strength which is what is needed for the Hulk to even start to do damage that would effect Godzilla.
Norton Hulk made a metal shield to protect him against the sonic canon.He realised brute strength wasn't enough & showed he had the intelligence to deflect the sonic wave away from him.
Originally posted by Kotor3
Yeah, I forgot a few scenes where the Hulk used strategy and intelligence. Still, it has never increased his strength which is what is needed for the Hulk to even start to do damage that would effect Godzilla.
Bana Hulk showed significant increase in both size and strength.
Right, so Godzilla can take a point blank meteor or point blank nuclear missiles and his eyes are just fine... no damage what so ever. Yet, Hulk punches are going to hurt him? You also forget Godzilla has shown to Omni directional blast before.. If Hulk wants to get on him... good luck with that.
Further, and this can't be escaped. If we're using high showings of Godzilla, his healing factor was crazy. Any damage Hulk could even do (none) would almost instantly heal.
Originally posted by Kotor3
I agreed that he showed intelligence but how did his intelligence increase his strength and size? Please tell. It was his anger as I recall.
Huh? What does his intelligence have to do with size and strength? I don't believe anyone here every implied thus.
What we're saying is:
1. Hulk has indeed shown intelligence
2. Hulk has indeed shown the capability to increase strength and size
They don't need to be related, only that they're both characteristics of Hulk and will be used to effect in this fight. And in the event that Hulk cannot win over something with pure brute strength, he has resorted to tactics, albeit not complicated ones.
People keep taking about his intelligence, like he's some strategist or something. He's not, he's a brute through and through. Sure, he has shown some thinking during battle, but nothing I would hang my hat on by any means. The simply reality is this, Hulk can do absolutely nothing to even break through Godzilla's skin, and even if he happened to, Godzilla would simply heal
Originally posted by KuRuPT Thanosi
People keep taking about his intelligence, like he's some strategist or something. He's not, he's a brute through and through. Sure, he has shown some thinking during battle, but nothing I would hang my hat on by any means. The simply reality is this, Hulk can do absolutely nothing to even break through Godzilla's skin, and even if he happened to, Godzilla would simply heal
People only started defending his intelligence when some others kept insisting he was a dumb brute incapable of thinking. He's not a tactician but he's at least smarter than Godzilla.
Some info on Ang Lee Hulk, according to the crew who animated him for the 2003 movie, Industrial Light & Magic:
According to the animators at Industrial Light & Magic, the Hulk weighs 3452 lbs, and can exert 14 tons of pressure/inch2. His skin is 10 times as strong as Kevlar. His chest measures 208 inches, his waist 130 inches, his foot 51 inches and his neck 81 inches. If he wore shoes, they would be size 87. He can move at a top speed of 300 mph and cross 3-4 miles in a single jump.
In this film, the madder the Hulk gets, the larger he becomes. The first time he appears, he is 9 feet tall, the second time he is 12 feet and the third time he is 15 feet tall. His skin would also be coloured grayish-green in his first appearance, and afterwards remain greenish. The ILM animators thus had to create three distinctly different Hulks.
I'm assuming the stats they list are for the final, 15-foot, version we see. I think I mentioned it before, but 300mph is actually pretty damn fast, when it comes to traveling speed for a non-speedster. Fastest road-legal car in the world clocks in at about 270mph, IIRC.
Originally posted by FrothByte
People only started defending his intelligence when some others kept insisting he was a dumb brute incapable of thinking. He's not a tactician but he's at least smarter than Godzilla.
Woah woah, Godzilla's pretty clever. He is definately NOT a mindless monster, and shows signs of intelligence against other kaiju all the time.
For those saying Hulk will just get on Godzilla's back, here's a video of Godzilla's Omni-directional Nuclear Pulse attack.
King Ghidorah strangles Godzilla in 3:17
Godzilla does his Omni-directional Nuclear Pulse in 3:23 making King Ghidorah let go.
If anyone argues Hulk wont be affected, King Ghidorah in this video was also made from radiation. Yet he got hurt from that attack. And that was normal Godzilla. Imagine Burning Godzilla doing that 😈
Originally posted by Igniz
King Ghidorah strangles Godzilla in 3:17Godzilla does his Omni-directional Nuclear Pulse in 3:23 making King Ghidorah let go.
If anyone argues Hulk wont be affected, King Ghidorah in this video was also made from radiation. Yet he got hurt from that attack. And that was normal Godzilla. Imagine Burning Godzilla doing that 😈
I don't know much about Godzilla's abilities but it did look like the choke forced the nuclear pulse to radiate elsewhere out of his body.
Block the mouth or strangle Godzilla & the pulse bursts from his body.
It doesn't seem something Godzilla can do intentionally.
Also Godzilla's pretty clumsy. He had trouble getting up from his fall, not t mention his arms are pretty useless too in H2H.
Hulk has speed & agility to his advantage.
Originally posted by FrothByteWell then, I don't get your argument. Besides the intelligence comment no Godzilla supporter has disagreed with point 2. Every supporter of Godzilla on this thread has agreed that it would take Hulk a huge boost of strength just to start to even effect Godzilla when an hit.
Huh? What does his intelligence have to do with size and strength? I don't believe anyone here every implied thus.
What we're saying is:1. Hulk has indeed shown intelligence
2. Hulk has indeed shown the capability to increase strength and sizeThey don't need to be related, only that they're both characteristics of Hulk and will be used to effect in this fight. And in the event that Hulk cannot win over something with pure brute strength, he has resorted to tactics, albeit not complicated ones.
I agree Hulk has shown intelligence but that doesn't mean he is not a brute in battle. That is still true.
Without stating the obvious, yes Hulk can increase his strength. But as stated by me previously how does he get to that point before being KOed or killed?
You or Rob have yet to show how Hulk would be able to effect Godzilla immediately or be too fast or small for Godzilla to hit.
Originally posted by FrothByteReally? I starting to think you even did not watch a lot of Godzilla movies or forgotten them.
I never said he was dumb, just that I don't think he's smarter than Hulk. Do you?
In the 2014 movie he was smart enough to wait and perfectly time his tail hit on the Muto that Killed it. Open the mouth of the other one and blow his atomic breath into its body in order to kill the Muto.
If we go by the movies where he fights Mech GZ and King Ghidorah there really is no comparison in terms of battle intelligence and strategy.
Godzilla wins in that category hands down.