The Maker Vs Alexander Luthor Jr.

1. Prep war.
2. Standard fight

Which alternate reality character wins and why?

vs

Well, JR actually had some god damn superpowers.

?

1.) Maker.
2.) Probably Luthor, though I'm not entirely sure how he'd get around Maker's shielding.

Haven't read too much of Maker, but does he have anything as big as manipulating continuity, bringing back and manipulating the Multiverse like Alex did in Infinite Crisis?

I havent read much on the maker either but I don't doubt it. When he was just Reed Richard he created a helmet that could create solid constructs based on whatever he was thinking. He accidentally created Sue's mom in the size of skyscrapers

Originally posted by Zack M
Haven't read too much of Maker, but does he have anything as big as manipulating continuity, bringing back and manipulating the Multiverse like Alex did in Infinite Crisis?

He has fewer combat applicable feats, however.

For example, Reed has made a Cosmic Cube. And used it in battle.

Exactly. Maker's combat-applicable feats are FAR more impressive. Here is a sample:

Originally posted by Galan007
[b]-Technological Achievements-

Reed's greatest and arguably most powerful invention was the Cosmic Cube...
"The Cube has the power to bend reality to the will of whoever holds it. It would not be hyperbole to call it the deadliest weapon in the history of science.":
http://i.imgur.com/DdeRqN7.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/nfScMO5.jpg

Cube feats:
http://i.imgur.com/P7cCV8m.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/QxTTk36.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/6YofATM.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/u4tagmB.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/THgnY6S.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/fms2Dj7.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/aJzagRM.jpg

http://i.imgur.com/Wpe55HJ.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/7rQ4Dut.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/RzCOLsw.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/tcvN4Jd.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/WLpCGvH.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/nu2M0gt.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/PGPi35A.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/ClnGCEX.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/BFDlO5u.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/pQEZYjn.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/rBHZE54.jpg

Created a massive 'Gun' capable of weaponizing the energies of a Big Bang. Once he blasted Gah-Lak-Tus with this weapon, the entire swarm immediately retreated:
http://i.imgur.com/1Z2v4Eh.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/2UtNFym.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/9IGsW42.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/nZtz45N.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/KZb3u2Q.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/FhcSZLf.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/jiyEjJn.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/eGtQln8.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/JdxD3c6.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/4z2lBU1.jpg

Created a time machine:
http://i.imgur.com/OBfKnVz.png
http://i.imgur.com/cYCxccC.png
http://i.imgur.com/bYkz5En.png
http://i.imgur.com/ZIVzwr2.png
http://i.imgur.com/uLuGC8T.png
http://i.imgur.com/f6LhRPe.png

Created a mecha-suit with the collective powers of the F4:
http://i.imgur.com/JQPM9VJ.png
http://i.imgur.com/sjzndG8.png
http://i.imgur.com/NhV61Lu.png
http://i.imgur.com/ppUP5vL.png

Created a helmet capable of turning his thoughts into solid, 3D constructs. Uses it to manifest The Ultimates against Namor:
http://i.imgur.com/vEv7mYs.png
http://i.imgur.com/qce4MAt.png
http://i.imgur.com/C9VucGp.png

Built a device capable of "bottling a star":
http://i.imgur.com/XiVifTs.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/VaBGip1.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/ZvUdpw2.jpg

Created a gun capable of depowering/repowering metahumans:
http://i.imgur.com/Sn3PbUP.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/IiZL9ja.jpg

When he was still in middle school school, Reed not only discovered the N-Zone, but he created a portal to it:
http://i.imgur.com/mjr3Ljg.png
http://i.imgur.com/7gUm98M.png
http://i.imgur.com/DknA79e.png
http://i.imgur.com/ebcow2h.png
http://i.imgur.com/Ce362ik.png
http://i.imgur.com/gQeuOV6.png
http://i.imgur.com/vSMdQM8.png
http://i.imgur.com/Anx2m0J.png
http://i.imgur.com/VULUzSJ.png
http://i.imgur.com/d6maRuE.png
http://i.imgur.com/5NZAjuW.png
http://i.imgur.com/qsgVLCi.png
http://i.imgur.com/rHqXs6k.png

Built a portal to the Zombie universe:
http://i.imgur.com/myGdaF6.png
http://i.imgur.com/6KslkJ3.png

Rigs up a translator capable of deciphering any language:
http://i.imgur.com/Cctyus0.png
http://i.imgur.com/trERxYg.png

Created restraints capable of holding Hulk:
http://i.imgur.com/nEK9ZHN.jpg

Pulls a devices out of his ass capable of rocking Surfer:
http://i.imgur.com/zzbgZ8M.jpg

Reed amped/enhanced Cerebro:
http://i.imgur.com/PKpMwYh.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/uCI6mci.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/9CObNXl.jpg

Created a map/simulation of the multiverse:
http://i.imgur.com/8Wv1M3w.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/m7FOCpZ.jpg

Created a taser capable of KO'ing Namor:
http://i.imgur.com/nQq2NBZ.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/X8KRnvb.jpg

Created a variation of The Bridge:
http://i.imgur.com/TqwLajp.jpg

Developed Bio-Bombs that can be deployed by thought and sent cross-dimensionally:
http://i.imgur.com/adD4miY.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/8VjeRLp.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/z6vCqdn.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/PEBbfi5.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/uHAST9X.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/Jh88ZqZ.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/2KBgP6w.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/nRjGRAF.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/fQp44RZ.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/GgXi9e7.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/Bynu56i.jpg

At some point Reed built a Kang-suit for Sue which shielded her from the future heat death of the universe. It also allowed her to traverse through time:
http://i.imgur.com/3S9vre8.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/Cctgiln.jpg [/B]

*Mind you, all of that was done BEFORE Reed evolved into The Maker... ie. BEFORE his intelligence increased astronomically.

Impressive. However, I also think Alex is haxx. In his last appearance he resurrected the destroyed world's on the fly and help defeat Omega Man.

And he basically tooled Lex Luther , saying he was him, only far better.

So he doesn't actually have any combat feats?

I mean, Joker curbed him without prep. With prep, he doesn't have nearly as many combat feats.

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
So he doesn't actually have any combat feats?

I mean, Joker curbed him without prep. With prep, he doesn't have nearly as many combat feats.

Joker got the drop on him, while he was depowered, iirc. More interested in intelligence, however.

How powerful is Alex's Anti-matter projectile?

Resurrecting dead worlds is cool and all, but how does it help him beat Maker? 😕

Where combat-oriented build feats are concerned, Maker FAR outclasses Alex tbh. Also, Maker is well-accustomed to dealing with anti-matter... He's built world-busting weaponry out of it, after all. 🙂

Originally posted by Galan007
Resurrecting dead worlds is cool and all, but how does it help him beat Maker? 😕

Where combat-oriented build feats are concerned, Maker FAR outclasses Alex tbh. Also, Maker is well-accustomed to dealing with anti-matter... He's built world-busting weaponry out of it, after all. 🙂

You're right, he doesn't have many feats, but would you say in terms of intellect (science based feats), they are both equally impressive. If Alex wanted to, couldn't he just phuck with Maker's reality like he did with DCU's?

Weren't the DC's heroes helpless in preventing his manipulation? He played the chess board pretty well, I think.

BTW, each combatant gets 7 days of prep.

Originally posted by Zack M
You're right, he doesn't have many feats, but would you say in terms of intellect (science based feats), they are both equally impressive. If Alex wanted to, couldn't he just phuck with Maker's reality like he did with DCU's?

Maker's combat-oriented build feats are simply FAR more impressive, is all. For an additional point of reference: look at Maker's City and Children of Tomorrow. 🙂

Originally posted by Zack M
Weren't the DC's heroes helpless in preventing his manipulation? He played the chess board pretty well, I think.

Originally posted by Galan007
Alex is certainly an impressive genius. Never suggested otherwise.

Maker's combat-oriented build feats are simply FAR more impressive, is all. For an additional point of reference: look at Maker's City and Children of Tomorrow. 🙂

Yeah, but the majority of them also had no clue it was coming, so you can't fault them too much for not being able to prevent it.

Ok, how would you rank these super geniuses, then:

Dr. Doom
Alex Luthor
Brainiac (True Brainiac)
Reed Richards
Lana Luthor (Rebirth)
Maker
Brainiac 5

Wow.

The kitten wins.

Originally posted by Zack M
Ok, how would you rank these super geniuses, then:

Dr. Doom
Alex Luthor
Brainiac (True Brainiac)
Reed Richards
Lana Luthor (Rebirth)
Maker
Brainiac 5

Wasn't True Brainiac containing entire time lines or some shit?