Rank these versions of Anakin/Vader

Started by SunRazer3 pages

@Ellimist - He wasn't dominating Obi-Wan at all, and as I said, Obi-Wan was hindered for most of the fight.

Anakin was dominating Kenobi in the film version.

In the novel version, there was definitely more parity.

Late TCW Anakin > Mustafar Anakin, IMO.

Originally posted by DarthAnt66
Anakin was dominating Kenobi in the film version.

Not really. He definitely landed more hits and had the advantage, but it wasn't really domination.

If you dominate a fight, it usually doesn't last anywhere near as long.

What? Anakin made Kenobi retreat like half a mile, lmfao.

Obi-Wan retreated a lot against Grievous as well. As I recall, Gillard also states that they "match each other perfectly", although I don't recall whether that's in reference to style or their actual performance in the fight.

No he didn't, lmfao. No where close to *a mile*, at least.

Actually, I don't think Kenobi yielded any ground against Grievous when it was all set and done (once the fight began). 😬

Well, the fight against Grievous was shorter, but even as Obi-Wan was fighting Grievous and taking some of the General's weapon hands, he was on the backfoot. It's part of his style.

I agree that Anakin held the edge, and if your definition of dominance is just having the upper hand throughout the fight, then I'll agree with that as well. I'm not agreeing with anything akin to a stomp, obviously.

In the films, Kenobi's style isn't to yield ground. In the fight against Grievous, he didn't yield ground.

In the fight against Anakin, he yielded "a mile" of ground and constantly suffered devastating blows.

"Devastating"? They hurt, but inflicted no permanent damage whatsoever.

And yes, he did yield ground against Grievous. He's on the backfoot the entire time against Grievous. Yet he still took two of Grievous' hands.

Kind of working against myself here but:

Originally posted by DarthAnt66
In the films, Kenobi's style isn't to yield ground.

It's common to yield ground if you're on the defensive against a more powerful foe, especially in this case, where his objective is to lure Anakin to the lava. There are several moments where it's inconvenient for him to give ground, and so he doesn't.


In the fight against Grievous, he didn't yield ground.

Well he jumps around and can dodge under him because Grievous is large and much slower than Anakin. He didn't really need to.


In the fight against Anakin, he yielded "a mile" of ground and constantly suffered devastating blows.

Which blows are you referring to?

@Nova: No, you're wrong.

Against Grievous, they fought back and forth, with the net with Kenobi maybe a few meters back.

With Anakin, it was one-sided and Kenobi was pushed back a mile of terrain.

Back and forth was at first, when Obi-Wan leapt over him. After Obi-Wan takes one of Grievous' hands and Grievous attacks with three lightsabers, you see Obi-Wan retreating pretty quickly as he fends off the General's strikes.

Yes, it's one-sided. There's a clear advantage on Anakin's side. I agree with you if that's what you meant by "dominating". As I said, I don't agree if you mean "stomping".

Then Kenobi positions his feat and holds his ground for the remainder of the battle.

It doesn't compare to retreating a mile of terrain. 👇

Uh, no. Right after that, Obi-Wan takes another hand, and then Grievous bladelocks him and pushes him back again.

As I said, the fight against Anakin was much, much longer, and without any obvious way of winning straight-up, Obi-Wan would naturally have to retreat.

We shouldn't compare the total amount retreated, since the times elapsed in both fights don't compare either. What we should compare is the rate at which they were retreating. In which case, yes, Obi-Wan's rate of retreat in the Grievous fight was about the same as against Anakin in some parts of the Anakin fight, and even greater than against Anakin in other parts of the fight.

The fight is longer because Kenobi can't beat Anakin at the same speed he bested Grievous - that's the whole point. 😬

The fight between Kenobi and Anakin showed the disparity that you admitted would be "enormous," minus Kenobi's familiarity with Anakin's style.

Yes, and I'm already in agreement with that.

You've ignored this about four times now - I'm in agreement if your definition of "domination" is just Anakin having the upper hand throughout the fight, with Obi-Wan having no obvious means of a straightforward victory. I don't agree if you mean that Anakin was stomping. That's all it comes down to.

I never said "stomping" - I said he was "dominating". 😬

And he was - indisputably.