Dooku's performance against Anakin in TCW

I think you do a well enough job on your own explaining the inconsistencies. The fight in the TCW movie doesn't take place long after AotC, and the novels as you say (I'm inclined to believe as I haven't read them myself) say that Dooku had the advantage.

The Season 4 first fight on Naboo had Anakin matching Dooku, but I don't think Dooku was taking the fight seriously. He was casually levitating those lamps around, and he showed when he overpowered Anakin with the force that he wasn't trying to kill him, but capture him instead. I know Anakin was shocked in between fighting by the electro staffs, but Dooku dodged two of his blows unarmed and managed to disarm Anakin as well. Also noteworthy is the fact tht as soon as Anakin presented himself a threat with the force, Dooku was immediately able to overpower him.

The second fight on Naboo had the circumstance of the endangerment of Palpatine's life. While to some extent non-canon, I think the RotS novelization shows us the depth of Anakin and Palpatine's relationship and why defending Palpatine is high priority for Anakin. Dooku is clearly driven back, but still overpowers Anakin via the force.

I'd like to note in between the second Naboo fight and the fight on Oba Diah, Dooku still managed to overwhelm Anakin with lightning on Zygerria.

On Oba Diah, I think what Kurk said has merit. Dooku would be highly motivated to not let his Master's identity slip, stating aloud that his required presence spoke to importance of the task. Also, with regards to the RotS novelization, Kenobi's presence prevents Anakin from cutting loose as well right? He doesn't tap into his anger, or break down the walls of fear in his heart. Dooku is hown to be pressed by the duo, but unlike previous fights, his goal isn't to capture or delay, but instead escape.

Them being equals (once again, I'm inclined to believe on this as I haven't read this either) in DD makes sense as this is nearing the end of TCW.

Originally posted by Darth Thor
What's actually not daft with TCW is the idea that sometimes the same combatant just fights better or worse than his usual level.

That is true.

Originally posted by Nephthys
its almost as if tcw is ****

Also true.

Originally posted by Solar Power
I think you do a well enough job on your own explaining the inconsistencies. The fight in the TCW movie doesn't take place long after AotC, and the novels as you say (I'm inclined to believe as I haven't read them myself) say that Dooku had the advantage.

The Season 4 first fight on Naboo had Anakin matching Dooku, but I don't think Dooku was taking the fight seriously. He was casually levitating those lamps around, and he showed when he overpowered Anakin with the force that he wasn't trying to kill him, but capture him instead. I know Anakin was shocked in between fighting by the electro staffs, but Dooku dodged two of his blows unarmed and managed to disarm Anakin as well. Also noteworthy is the fact tht as soon as Anakin presented himself a threat with the force, Dooku was immediately able to overpower him.

The second fight on Naboo had the circumstance of the endangerment of Palpatine's life. While to some extent non-canon, I think the RotS novelization shows us the depth of Anakin and Palpatine's relationship and why defending Palpatine is high priority for Anakin. Dooku is clearly driven back, but still overpowers Anakin via the force.

I'd like to note in between the second Naboo fight and the fight on Oba Diah, Dooku still managed to overwhelm Anakin with lightning on Zygerria.

On Oba Diah, I think what Kurk said has merit. Dooku would be highly motivated to not let his Master's identity slip, stating aloud that his required presence spoke to importance of the task.

All very good points.

Originally posted by Solar Power
Also, with regards to the RotS novelization, Kenobi's presence prevents Anakin from cutting loose as well right? He doesn't tap into his anger, or break down the walls of fear in his heart. Dooku is hown to be pressed by the duo, but unlike previous fights, his goal isn't to capture or delay, but instead escape.

Not even that. In the ROTS novel Dooku's plan was to throw the fight so he'd be taken alive (Palpatine had told him he'd arrange for Dooku to be granted amnesty). In the novel he has the upper hand against Anakin until Palpatine starts yelling "use your anger Anakin."

I also wouldn't compare the 2 vs 1 fights with the 1 vs 1 fights, they're just really difficult to compare given their extremely different nature.

Originally posted by DarthDuelist9
I also wouldn't compare the 2 vs 1 fights with the 1 vs 1 fights, they're just really difficult to compare given their extremely different nature.

Yeah because they might not fight in sync, or might depend on each other, so might not put out the same output level they would if fighting solo.

Originally posted by Darth Thor
Yeah because they might not fight in sync, or might depend on each other, so might not put out the same output level they would if fighting solo.

Yeah, I think it's general knowledge that Anakin with Obi-Wan will fight differently than on his own.

Originally posted by chilled monkey
In the novel he has the upper hand against Anakin until Palpatine starts yelling "use your anger Anakin."

Unless you're referring to the brief moment of Dun Moch?

I feel the answer is simple really, Anakin is simply more effective at combatting Dooku alone, as opposed to when double-teaming with Kenobi.

We see this is RotS as well as it seems to be what they were imitating. When Anakin and Kenobi attack Dooku together twice he blocks them both at the same time and repeatedly off-balances them throughout, but in 1v1 Anakin blows through his guard while he's backing up the steps and obviously ends up eviscerating him in their final bout.

Logical reason for this being that Anakin having to measure his offense to account for Kenobi's makes it less dominating, Djem So is far more suited for single combat, and this also leaves more openings for Dooku to exploit. The manner in which Dooku fights is also different, capitalising a lot more on deflection, evasion and Anakin's poor mobility as opposed to meeting his opponents head on.

As for the TCW Movie and DD fight, the first is no less balanced that in was in AotC (Anakin duels "evenly" with the Count for the same duration there too) and DD describes fight, as I recall, being in flux i.e. going back and forth, that doesn't preclude Anakin driving Dooku back with his strength at any one point.

Originally posted by SunRazer
Tapping into the dark side was a thing for the duel on Naboo with Palpatine, but not the other Naboo duel.

We can't really say that either way. Anyway, it seems the most simple and logical reason for why Anakin fairs so much better when Kenobi isn't around.

Originally posted by Beniboybling
I feel the answer is simple really, Anakin is simply more effective at combatting Dooku alone, as opposed to when double-teaming with Kenobi.

We see this is RotS as well as it seems to be what they were imitating. When Anakin and Kenobi attack Dooku together twice he blocks them both at the same time and repeatedly off-balances them throughout, but in 1v1 Anakin blows through his guard while he's backing up the steps and obviously ends up eviscerating him in their final bout.

Logical reason for this being that Anakin having to measure his offense to account for Kenobi's makes it less dominating, Djem So is far more suited for single combat, and this also leaves more openings for Dooku to exploit. The manner in which Dooku fights is also different, capitalising a lot more on deflection, evasion and Anakin's poor mobility as opposed to meeting his opponents head on.

As for the TCW Movie and DD fight, the first is no less balanced that in was in AotC (Anakin duels "evenly" with the Count for the same duration there too) and DD describes fight, as I recall, being in flux i.e. going back and forth, that doesn't preclude Anakin driving Dooku back with his strength at any one point.

Blaming it on teamwork in RotS is pretty disappointing when Obi-Wan and Anakin are meant to be "complementary halves" and the best duo in the galaxy.

Them being an effective duo doesn't necessarily mean it plays to Anakin's strengths.

If they're "complementary halves", they should only be helping one another, not hindering each other. The implication is that they have flawless synergy.

True, but that doesn't preclude Dooku playing them off each other, which he does in RotS.

I'm mostly asking about S6. RotS isn't too hard to believe.

Speaking of where was this teamwork? Maybe I'm forgetting but their teamwork was like nonexistent compared to other works preTCW.

Originally posted by Beniboybling
I feel the answer is simple really, Anakin is simply more effective at combatting Dooku alone, as opposed to when double-teaming with Kenobi.

We see this is RotS as well as it seems to be what they were imitating. When Anakin and Kenobi attack Dooku together twice he blocks them both at the same time and repeatedly off-balances them throughout, but in 1v1 Anakin blows through his guard while he's backing up the steps and obviously ends up eviscerating him in their final bout.

Logical reason for this being that Anakin having to measure his offense to account for Kenobi's makes it less dominating, Djem So is far more suited for single combat, and this also leaves more openings for Dooku to exploit. The manner in which Dooku fights is also different, capitalising a lot more on deflection, evasion and Anakin's poor mobility as opposed to meeting his opponents head on.

As for the TCW Movie and DD fight, the first is no less balanced that in was in AotC (Anakin duels "evenly" with the Count for the same duration there too) and DD describes fight, as I recall, being in flux i.e. going back and forth, that doesn't preclude Anakin driving Dooku back with his strength at any one point.

Dooku has demonstrated an ability to contend with Anakin's strength, but Makashi doesn't generate the momentum needed to go head-to-head, as Dooku says in Stover's book. As Anakin increased in skill, he demonstrated an ability to disrupt Dooku's sequence of strikes.

Originally posted by SunRazer
Blaming it on teamwork in RotS is pretty disappointing when Obi-Wan and Anakin are meant to be "complementary halves" and the best duo in the galaxy.

Originally posted by Zenwolf
Speaking of where was this teamwork? Maybe I'm forgetting but their teamwork was like nonexistent compared to other works preTCW.

That's because TCW is terrible.

Originally posted by Darth Thor
Yes it's possible Dooku grew as well during TCW. Or perhaps Oba Diah was just a really good performance for him, and a mediocre one for Anakin.

I disagree. Oba Diah is just different showing of Dooku. It's a first time, that we celary see, that Dooku treats both of them serious. Dooku foguht them the same way, he fought Yoda - there was not a tactical defense and he wasn't try to humiliate them as well. He just put nearly everything he got to defeat them. The same Dooku fought Yoda on Geonosis.
I said nearly, because it explains, that he got something else, that he just didn't show them - his superior command of the Force. It's also a reason, why he was so relaxed in thei ROTS fight, despite the fact, that he probably knew, that he wont be able to beat them in strict lighstaber duel.

Originally posted by DarthAnt66
No, he didn't. 😂

Unless you're referring to the brief moment of Dun Moch?

Let's take a look at what's stated in the novel.

Skywalker leapt for him again, and this time Dooku met the boy's charge easily. They stood nearly toe-to-toe, blades flashing faster than the eye could see, but Skywalker had lost his edge:

Dooku allowed himself to relax; he felt that spirit of playfulness coming over him again as he and Skywalker spun 'round each other in their lethal dance. Whatever fun was to be had he should enjoy while he could.

When one fighter has lost his edge and the other is relaxed and enjoying himself then the relaxed guy has the upper hand.

Sorry for the double post. My edits were coming out wonky.