Originally posted by Ursumeles
No. Vodo Siosk Baas has no upper limits. He is one of the best duelists in history, and Kun has beatdn him pre-pre-pre-pre-prime.
Beating Vodo several times, once nearly curbing him and once far before his prime >>>> losing to a Dog.
When was Vodo ever named one of the best duelists in history? Anyway, yeah Kun did beat him pre-prime like Vodo also humiliated Kun at that point and even a Kun in his prime was just stalemating Vodo in the Senate building until used his double-bladed lightsaber to destroy Vodo's staff.
That's hardly comparable to outdueling one of the best Jedi duelist ever (who has 4000 years worth of Jedi to contend with compared to Vodo) in 30 seconds or even eclipsing the combined skill of this same Jedi with his almost equal Padawan.
Originally posted by DarthDuelist9
When was Vodo ever named one of the best duelists in history? Anyway, yeah Kun did beat him pre-prime like Vodo also humiliated Kun at that point and even a Kun in his prime was just stalemating Vodo in the Senate building until used his double-bladed lightsaber to destroy Vodo's staff.That's hardly comparable to outdueling one of the best Jedi duelist ever (who has 4000 years worth of Jedi to contend with compared to Vodo) in 30 seconds or even eclipsing the combined skill of this same Jedi with his almost equal Padawan.
Originally posted by Ursumeles
WTF? Jinn > Vodo? 😆
I justmean that you can't use it as low showing, as Vodo has no upper limits, besides being below Exar, who hasn't an upper limit either.
Also, when ws Jinn stated to be one of the best duelists in history, by an objective Source?
Alos, it is an good feat for Vodo not a bad one for Exar.
It isn't about "upper limits" or anything, it's about accolades and feats. Tell me what makes Vodo or Exar so impressive then?
Here it is and he has others like being better than Anoon Bondara, one of the best fighters of the PT Jedi Order.
Jinn was generally regarded as one of the best pure swordsmen the Order had ever seen.
--The Complete Star Wars Encyclopedia
Originally posted by DarthDuelist9
It isn't about "upper limits" or anything, it's about accolades and feats. Tell me what makes Vodo or Exar so impressive then?Here it is and he has others like being better than Anoon Bondara, one of the best fighters of the PT Jedi Order.
--The Complete Star Wars Encyclopedia
Ask Nova or someone, I don't know so much about Exar and co. But, IIRC, severed Ulic blitzed Warb Null. Ulic statlemated Ulic, before he constructed his double-bladed Lightsaber, and grow in power.
Edit: Oh, and he was was "regarded". No objective source.
Originally posted by Ursumeles
Yes, but you use it as low showing.Ask Nova or someone, I don't know so much about Exar and co. But, IIRC, severed Ulic blitzed Warb Null. Ulic statlemated Ulic, before he constructed his double-bladed Lightsaber, and grow in power.
Do you know what the term "relatively" means? I said it's a low showing when you look at what Maul has accomplished, doesn't mean it's low showing compared to other characters.
So you actually aren't fully aware of Exar's prowess (or Vodo's) yet you claim he wins? Weird.
Originally posted by DarthDuelist9
Do you know what the term "relatively" means? I said it's a low showing when you look at what Maul has accomplished, doesn't mean it's low showing compared to other characters.So you actually aren't fully aware of Exar's prowess (or Vodo's) yet you claim he wins? Weird.
I am actually aware what Exar did, but I can't explain it an are prolly forgeting details.
Originally posted by DarthDuelist9
The hole "superior power, superior duelist" thing doesn't work, there are dozens of contradictions in the mythos and it generally depends on the writers/creative team.
Superior power doesn't necessarily make you outright more skilled, because there are other factors, but it's actually generally the rule, rather than the exception, that greater power affords you greater natural talent with a blade.
Originally posted by SunRazer
Superior power doesn't necessarily make you outright more skilled, because there are other factors, but it's actually generally the rule, rather than the exception, that greater power affords you greater natural talent with a blade.
How are you going to draw the line between characters that fall under your general rule or those that are exceptions? Even Drew's Bane Trilogy, which heavily favors the "better connection to the Force, better skill" idea someone like Zannah, who's potential is greater than Bane's, would never be his better in lightsaber combat
Originally posted by DarthDuelist9
How are you going to draw the line between characters that fall under your general rule or those that are exceptions? Even Drew's Bane Trilogy, which heavily favors the "better connection to the Force, better skill" idea someone like Zannah, who's potential is greater than Bane's, would never be his better in lightsaber combat
Sorry but where is that stated? Zannah was about evenly skilled with Bane in DoE, except her Form III can't bring her victory against the more powerful Form V, as Fightsaber says of Ben Kenobi vs Vader.
Exceptions are exceptions because they're few and far between. I think you can generally class people under the rule. That's why it is a rule.
Originally posted by SunRazer
Sorry but where is that stated? Zannah was about evenly skilled with Bane in DoE, except her Form III can't bring her victory against the more powerful Form V, as Fightsaber says of Ben Kenobi vs Vader.Exceptions are exceptions because they're few and far between. I think you can generally class people under the rule. That's why it is a rule.
Zannah evenly skilled? Oh please, not this Soresu shit again and she admitted herself that Bane was the superior warrior and this was before she witnessed his full prowess. There is still something called talent which has little to do with connection to the Force, it's the reason why Zannah's more talented in Sorcery than Bane while the latter is better in things like Lightning or why Luke was instantly learning Djem So by just fighting Vader while Anakin never showed that kind of progress despite having at least equal connection to the Force.
Again, where do you draw the line?
Anyways, Kun's "superior augmentation" should already be taken into account when we look at his feats so it doesn't really matter.
That's because Luke was older than Anakin when he started training and the Force had more time to mature within him. Anakin has shown some pretty insane growth himself.
Bane being the superior warrior doesn't necessarily make him skilfully superior. As I recall, he was unable to break Zannah's defense. That's even dueling.
And by the way, there's a point at which your power is so great that you don't need an inherent talent for things - which was explored in Darth Plagueis. Most talents are derived either from mindset or strength in the Force anyways.