Yeah that whole thing came out of nowhere with Sam being so bad ass. Orcs were supposed to be evil elves that were twisted by the "dark powers".
So here is the elf Legolas doing flips and stuff all over the place, but the Orcs lose to hobbits. So in making the orcs evil did they also drain them of all their elf usefulness?
Originally posted by SurturThat or Sam is just THAT good.
Yeah that whole thing came out of nowhere with Sam being so bad ass. Orcs were supposed to be evil elves that were twisted by the "dark powers".So here is the elf Legolas doing flips and stuff all over the place, but the Orcs lose to hobbits. So in making the orcs evil did they also drain them of all their elf usefulness?
As he becomes fairly consistent later on.
Bandobras Took was taking on Orcs and Goblins in single combat though, so he might win.
Though Sam's victory over Shelob can't be ignored.
I think Sam might have given Thorin a good fight if they fought though.
Originally posted by Jmanghan
That or Sam is just THAT good.As he becomes fairly consistent later on.
Bandobras Took was taking on Orcs and Goblins in single combat though, so he might win.
Though Sam's victory over Shelob can't be ignored.
I think Sam might have given Thorin a good fight if they fought though.
So Sam was just a gardener so if any of these hobbits got actual combat training they'd be like an army of tiny little demons.
Originally posted by TrocityWhat has Thorin done that was comparable to Samwise? Besides get destroyed by Azog twice. Also not even bringing up the ridiculously harsh conditions he did that in.
Thorin would trash Samwise.
Taking down a bunch of Orcs by yourself while starved and deprived of sleep is more impressive then Thorin getting raped by Azog more then once.
Then fighting and winning against Shelob in single combat.
Hell, screw giving a "good fight". Samwise would beat Thorin's ass.
Actually, I stand corrected, it wasn't a bunch, it was 4 of them, by himself.
He defeated them all effortlessly, and then killed their leader. That was done by skill and not luck.
Earlier, we say Sam dodge and weave in direct confrontation with Shelob, breaking one of her legs with a sword strike, stabbing her in the face, and also in the stomach.
I think its safe to say that Samwise the Brave is a nickname that is well-earned.
Originally posted by TrocityAnd why shouldn't I?
Oh, you're mixing book lore with movie lore.I care not for the debate then.
Since Shelob is in the movie, her origins written in the books don't count?
Thats stupid, because her confrontation with Sam happens exactly the same in both mediums, if not, very similarly.
Originally posted by TrocityTaking the movie without considering the massive influence it had on the films is stupid.
Oh, you're mixing book lore with movie lore.I care not for the debate then.
Its pretending that characters that aren't mentioned in the movie, literally don't exist in the movie.
Why should we believe that? Because you say so?
This isn't star wars, where there is Legends and Canon, everything ties in together.
Originally posted by ares834Apparently you never read the books.
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I don't mean to say that Ungoliant shares parity with Eru, that would be stupid.
Ungoliant, is, however, the single strongest creature in Tolkien's lore besides Eru, because of the fact that she defeated Morgoth.
I think it goes something like this:
Ungoliant > Tulkas = Eonwe > Morgoth/Melkor >> Sauron.
Ironic and downright idiotic.
Ungoliant defeated a vastly weakened Melkor and only after she had grown fat on the light of the two tress.
Heck the SIlmarillion straight up says this: "But Ungoliant had grown great, and he less by the power that had gone out of him".
Learn the lore before you attempt to educate others.
Originally posted by ares834But she also restrained Tulkas, who had already defeated Morgoth.
Ironic and downright idiotic.Ungoliant defeated a vastly weakened Melkor and only after she had grown fat on the light of the two tress.
Heck the SIlmarillion straight up says this: "But Ungoliant had grown great, and he less by the power that had gone out of him".
Learn the lore before you attempt to educate others.