Originally posted by StyleTime
Cap loses basically every time. Two expert martial artists fight. One has a healing factor. Do the math.
Logan's HF has it's limits, though. And Cap hits harder, and "should" hit more often.
He's considered the pinnacle of h2h combat, after all, above even the likes of Shang Chi and Iron Fist (I don't buy that, but it's how he's portrayed.)
Cap in pure h2h against anyone at the street/meta level usually = auto win for Cap.
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Cap hits harder? Prove it.
Pinnacle of h2h combat that has been bested before (by Moondragon, for example) and downgraded to 6/7 in handbooks? 😖hifty:
Wolverine was shown to be above Chi and Fist, too.
Auto win against a guy who heals from Hulk-lv punches even when missing his adamantium? Cap's missing his armor&shield here, while Logan retains the hf and super durable skeleton.
Originally posted by Zack M
Sparring matches don't count.
Cool. Then like I said, we can't really say Cap is superior to Chi since he never actually fought him.
You're lost here.
So, Logan has 1 victory over Shang. Cap has 0. Logan has 1 stalemate vs Fist and so does Cap (although IF wasn't at his best when he dueled Cap).
Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
its*Cap hits harder? Prove it.
Spidey called Cap's punch like an atom bomb when he caught one. High praise, considering Spidey's rogues of double digit multi tonners and up.
US Agent is, what, a 15 tonner himself? And still got taken by 1 tonner Cap.
Cap's punches have been enough to take Rhino, Mr. Hyde, Wrecking Crew. On average, he's always slugged above the street tier, being a "peak of human perfection" super soldier and all. Hell, even the rigged by fan vote Marvel vs DC made it crystal clear Batman's blows were like little jabs compared to Cap's haymakers..
Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
Cool. Then like I said, we can't really say Cap is superior to Chi since he never actually fought him.You're lost here.
So, Logan has 1 victory over Shang. Cap has 0. Logan has 1 stalemate vs Fist and so does Cap (although IF wasn't at his best when he dueled Cap).
Well, they did spar (Secret Avengers) and didn't Cap look superior? 😛
I know, I know.
Originally posted by cdtm
Spidey called Cap's punch like an atom bomb when he caught one. High praise, considering Spidey's rogues of double digit multi tonners and up.US Agent is, what, a 15 tonner himself? And still got taken by 1 tonner Cap.
Cap's punches have been enough to take Rhino and Mr. Hyde. On average, he's always slugged above the street tier, being a "peak of human perfection" super soldier and all. Hell, even the rigged by fan vote Marvel vs DC made it crystal clear Batman's blows were like little jabs compared to Cap's haymakers..
And Wolverine's pimp slap sent Spidey flying and hitting a wall 😛
Agent is Class 10. Always has been.
Logan's punches have taken out Roughouse a few times.
Really (cap/bat)? Because it seemed like they were equals, if anything.