DC be like https://youtu.be/qXXZLoq2zFc?t=6m44s
Originally posted by Deronn_soloI agree but it shows you aren't organized, aren't serious, and just say random things like it's coming soon. You don't give a shit which is fine but don't start an official debate in the first place until you at least see it through. You didn't even offer a rebuttal. It's like the Ellimist poster who appeared, pussed out, gave false promises only to completely disappear again. Set an objective and see it through.
there is no time expiration on debates, tbh.
Originally posted by quanchi112
I agree but it shows you aren't organized, aren't serious, and just say random things like it's coming soon. You don't give a shit which is fine but don't start an official debate in the first place until you at least see it through. You didn't even offer a rebuttal. It's like the Ellimist poster who appeared, pussed out, gave false promises only to completely disappear again. Set an objective and see it through.
You take this debating shit waaaay to seriously, all. It is, after all, only a free internet forum.
Originally posted by The_Tempest
That Valkoriate possesses an enormous talent for telepathy is uncontested, but if there is evidence to suggest he is capable of mindhaxxing someone of Vader's caliber without nexus or preparation, you've yet to provide it.Indeed remarkable, but what accolades or feats does Dramath have to his name that indicate this effort would be remotely sufficient to conquer Vader?
Not quite, sir.
The text indicates that it took merely a "fraction" of Vitiate's powers to merely complete their fall to the dark side, which the text notes the pair was already on the precipice of by the time they reached the throne room.
Revan provides further elaboration:
“The last time you were here?” Scourge said, pouncing on the phrase. “Have some of your memories returned?”
“Seeing my old mask triggered something. [b]I remember everything now
,” Revan admitted. “Malak and I learned the Sith still survived. We came here to Dromund Kaas to investigate. Posing as mercenaries, we spent months learning everything we could about the Emperor and his people. Even back then he was already planning his invasion of the Republic. When Malak and I learned of his preparations, we tried to stop him. We found a member of the Imperial Guard who was willing to sneak us inside the citadel.”“Impossible,” Scourge declared. “The Guard are bound to the Emperor’s will at the end of their training by a powerful ritual. They would never betray him!”
“True, but we didn’t know that at the time,” Revan explained. “We were being led into a trap; the Emperor wanted us to come to him. When we got to his throne room, he was ready and waiting.” His voice dropped low. “We underestimated his power. When we confronted him, he didn’t even have to fight us. Instead, he broke our wills. He dominated our minds, turning us into puppets to do his bidding. He sent us back to the Republic as the vanguard of his invasion, with instructions to report back when all resistance was crushed.
The entire scenario was an elaborate trap orchestrated by Vitiate on a dark side nexus and his targets were completely unprepared. Besides which, note that Scourge himself declares that even a non-Force sensitive Imperial Guardsman is bound to Vitiate's will by means of "a powerful ritual."
In this context, Valkoriate has no nexus to draw from nor traps to spring nor rituals to conduct and his opponents are both full-fledged dark siders.
You'll have to refresh me on the role played by Valkorion's powers here. As best I recall from the cutscenes, Vaylin's suppression was the result of enormous enterprise consisting of a potent dark side nexus, numerous scientific experiments, and psychological conditioning.
After rendering them unconscious and presumably conducting the same sort of ritual needed to ensnare Revan, Malak, and the common Imperial Guardsman. Is there evidence that the effect was instantaneous and effortless?
The effort being part of a grand ritual, Ziost being a dark side nexus, and those minds not being comparable to an extremely powerful Sith Lord.
Scourge, I take it? Also on a dark side nexus.
Again, you'll have to refresh my memory here. As best I recall, the Dread Masters were only capable of such feats when pooling their abilities in unison and in deep meditation and by harnessing the power of Sith paraphernalia, such as the Phobis Devices. Where is it established that Valkoriate is their superior in this exact respect and to such an enormous degree?
I think your timeline might be off on some of these feats. The destruction of Ziost only occurred a few years before KOTFE proper and Vaylin isn't centuries old, is she?
Nice, I've never seen this before. It's a decent showing for Vader and particularly Luke, really.
Consider: the text identifies Luke's "vast power" {which we know to be among the absolute best ever and certainly well in excess of Vitiate's own} and says that "all" of Luke's raging feelings blast into Vader's "unprotected mind." {We also know how terrifying Luke can be when employing his rage through the Force.}
Which is easily explained by the Emperor's superiority over Valkoriate. Not to mention the fact that Vader was clearly not expecting the Emperor's psychic intrusion, given that he was across the galaxy and they weren't in contact.
True: A half-dead Vader early in his career in the heart of Saro's temple.
It's been years since I read The Last Jedi, so you'll have to refresh me again: Jax's illusions were not only empowered by knowledge from Darth Ramage's Holocron but also a nugget of pyronium. And I remember Vader handling them pretty easily.
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Originally posted by The_Tempest
As I explained, I don't dispute Valkoriate's status as one of the greatest telepaths in the mythos. And I don't even dispute the notion that he could overcome Vader telepathically. What I wholeheartedly contest is the notion that he would do so instantly and effortlessly, without aid of nexus or preparation, and while having to deal simultaneously with the Emperor. I believe that your case is not adequately made.And lastly...
You flatter me, my child. But I respect your sass and skill in equal measure; and I know you're a worthy opponent.
Come at me, bro.
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I apologize for the double post. I pared down my response greatly for the past 15 minutes trying to keep it to one post, but to no avail. Great effort, DC. Looking forward to your response![b]2/2
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Originally posted by Azronger
Deronn is trash, yeah
^^^^^^^^ is worth more than the entire posting history of this forum
