Ultron Prime vs. Optimus Prime

Originally posted by Viritrilbia
Millions of years.....haha nope. 😛

They're different life-forms so obviously the direction of their civilization in terms of progress is different....but in no way shape or form could Cybertron defeat humans 1,000 years from now. I'm not even sure 300 years.

I think Ultron could win if he flew into Optimus and started blowing him up from inside...Optimus could win if he got off some solid hits....

Cap not being able to take Optimus has nothing to do with it. It's only size difference, and Ultron's flight and durability negate that.

Hahahaha....yes. It's directly stated several times that tech on Cyberton is millions of years more advanced than Earth. Literally all of Earth's huge technology boom over the past century have been because Megatron crashed on Earth and they started to reverse engineer him.

If the full Decepticon/Cybertron armies go up against Earth, you really think Earth would win? You're reaching.

Ultron can't fly inside Optimus. Why is that even a suggestion?

Optimus can fly too, and himself is highly durable.

Originally posted by KingD19
Hahahaha....yes. It's directly stated several times that tech on Cyberton is millions of years more advanced than Earth. Literally all of Earth's huge technology boom over the past century have been because Megatron crashed on Earth and they started to reverse engineer him.

If the full Decepticon/Cybertron armies go up against Earth, you really think Earth would win? You're reaching.

Ultron can't fly inside Optimus. Why is that even a suggestion?

Optimus can fly too, and himself is highly durable.

If it's millions of years more advanced than earth, than they sure progress slowly. 😆

I didn't say Earth would win, I said maybe in 300 years Earth would win. At the rate technology is advancing that's a big difference. The whole military at least would have advanced suits superior to Iron Man, at the least. Please, read before you respond.

Did I say Optimus wasn't durable? "Fly" connects to the Ultron advantage of easier hiding and dodging. Also, Ultron can fly more easily. Optimus could have flew lots of times, but he didn't.

Ultron can, yes. He is a bit more durable per square inch. As you well know, Transformers are not solid. There's gaps and plates over more plates, etc.

Well they haven't been able to progress because a galactic civil war nearly wiped out their species and no one has been able to do anything but fight and survive. So tech progression has kinda stalled.

In 300 years, Earth will have advanced. And in 300 years, Cybertron will have advanced like 100,000 years.

Optimus has shown in TF3 and TF4 that he is capable of flight. In 4, he just straight up flew into deep space pretty quickly, making him far faster than Ultron.

And Optimus' tracking systems will let him easily see Ultron the whole time.

If Ultron tries to "fly inside" Optimus, he gets chopped in half by a heat blade.

Originally posted by KingD19
Well they haven't been able to progress because a galactic civil war nearly wiped out their species and no one has been able to do anything but fight and survive. So tech progression has kinda stalled.

In 300 years, Earth will have advanced. And in 300 years, Cybertron will have advanced like 100,000 years.

Optimus has shown in TF3 and TF4 that he is capable of flight. In 4, he just straight up flew into deep space pretty quickly, making him far faster than Ultron.

And Optimus' tracking systems will let him easily see Ultron the whole time.

If Ultron tries to "fly inside" Optimus, he gets chopped in half by a heat blade.

Well, I thought war would actually spur technological advancement.

I was talking about Cybertron as shown in the movies, vs Earth in 500 years, perhaps.

Ultron can see Optimus the whole time.

Isn't this Ultron Prime? Doesn't he have a Vibranium exoskeleton? In A: AoU he took a LOT of energy at the end.

My point is that it's more of a fair fight than people think. Not that Ultron would win.

Originally posted by KingD19
Well they haven't been able to progress because a galactic civil war nearly wiped out their species and no one has been able to do anything but fight and survive. So tech progression has kinda stalled.

In 300 years, Earth will have advanced. And in 300 years, Cybertron will have advanced like 100,000 years.

Optimus has shown in TF3 and TF4 that he is capable of flight. In 4, he just straight up flew into deep space pretty quickly, making him far faster than Ultron.

And Optimus' tracking systems will let him easily see Ultron the whole time.

If Ultron tries to "fly inside" Optimus, he gets chopped in half by a heat blade.

Prime may be able to reach a faster flying top speed but that does not make him a quicker or more agile flyer... which is what will matter in a fight.

Optimus' actual limb/movement speed is faster though. He can move his body/bring his limbs to full extension etc. about as quickly as a fast human can. And that is despite the fact that his limbs are much longer/body much bigger than a human's i.e. his fist, for example, can travel a much greater distance than a human fist can in the same amount of time. A flip side example is Giant-Man, as seen in Civil War. He only got bigger, but not proportionally faster, hence why he appeared rather sluggish in his motions.

That being said, that says little about flight, which is propulsion-based for both of them. Though the fastest I can recall Ultron flying was during his chase with Iron Man.

Originally posted by TheVaultDweller
Optimus' actual limb/movement speed is faster though. He can move his body/bring his limbs to full extension etc. about as quickly as a fast human can. And that is despite the fact that his limbs are much longer/body much bigger than a humans i.e. his fist, for example, can travel a much greater distance than a human fist can in the same amount of time. A flip side example is Giant-Man, as seen in Civil War. He only got bigger, but not proportionally faster, hence why he appeared rather sluggish in his motions.

That being said, that says little about flight, which is propulsion-based for both of them. Though the fastest I can recall Ultron flying was during his chase with Iron Man.

Prime seemed to be able to move himself proportional to what he would look like had he been human size but I doubt that he could actually move as quickly as a human. Do you have any form of metric or comparison to know for sure that he moves as quickly as a human can? After all, he'd have a lot more distance to cover in moving his limbs. I'm sure he can run far faster than a human, but I really doubt he can punch faster.

I also don't recall Prime performing as tight aerial manouvers as Ultron was doing. Prime has a lot of advantages in this fight, flight agility maneouverability is not one of them.

YouTube video

Plenty of flight agility. Far faster than Ultron as well.

YouTube video

Kills 12 Decepticons in as many seconds. The one at the end is Shockwave, the one from the first video that shot him down.

Originally posted by FrothByte
Prime seemed to be able to move himself proportional to what he would look like had he been human size but I doubt that he could actually move as quickly as a human. Do you have any form of metric or comparison to know for sure that he moves as quickly as a human can? After all, he'd have a lot more distance to cover in moving his limbs. I'm sure he can run far faster than a human, but I really doubt he can punch faster.

I also don't recall Prime performing as tight aerial manouvers as Ultron was doing. Prime has a lot of advantages in this fight, flight agility maneouverability is not one of them.

That's exactly the point. To move as fast as he would look like as a human, despite being much larger than one, shows the speed difference. If Optimus can move his arm a much greater distance than a human can in the same amount of time, it means his limbs are faster. Remember, he would only need to move his arm a fraction of its full extension to cover the same distance a human would with a full arm extension. Just look at his fight with the 3 Decepticons, for example. They aren't slow and lumbering when they fight (unlike Lang, from CA:CW). They move pretty damn quickly.

And I don't see how Ultron's flight will help much in anyways. None of his ranged attacks have shown anywhere near the output required to harm Optimus, which means he would need to get up close to have any shot of doing damage. And then Optimus' size and reach advantage will more than counteract Ultron's flight.

Originally posted by TheVaultDweller
That's exactly the point. To move as fast as he would look like as a human, despite being much larger than one, shows the speed difference. If Optimus can move his arm a much greater distance than a human can in the same amount of time, it means his limbs are faster. Remember, he would only need to move his arm a fraction of its full extension to cover the same distance a human would with a full arm extension. Just look at his fight with the 3 Decepticons, for example. They aren't slow and lumbering when they fight (unlike Lang, from CA:CW). They move pretty damn quickly.

And I don't see how Ultron's flight will help much in anyways. None of his ranged attacks have shown anywhere near the output required to harm Optimus, which means he would need to get up close to have any shot of doing damage. And then Optimus' size and reach advantage will more than counteract Ultron's flight.

Ok let me clarify my stance. Yes, Prime can move his limbs faster than a human can for the same amount of distance. However, he will not be able to move himself as fast as a human can because he has more mass and more distance to cover.

As an example: Prime can move his arm 1 meter forward faster than a human can do the same. However, Prime cannot do a sommersault faster than a human can do a sommersault. Does this make sense?

Anyway, I'm not saying Ultron wins, I'm just being fair and giving credit where credit is due. Ultron has better flight and mobility. Prime has better firepower and strength.

Originally posted by FrothByte
Ok let me clarify my stance. Yes, Prime can move his limbs faster than a human can for the same amount of distance. However, he will not be able to move himself as fast as a human can because he has more mass and more distance to cover.

As an example: Prime can move his arm 1 meter forward faster than a human can do the same. However, Prime cannot do a sommersault faster than a human can do a sommersault. Does this make sense?

Anyway, I'm not saying Ultron wins, I'm just being fair and giving credit where credit is due. Ultron has better flight and mobility. Prime has better firepower and strength.

I never said he could sommersault faster than a human could. Or deliver a full punch faster than a human could. Not sure where you are getting that. And his reach + strength counters distance + mass. As seen when we visibly see him move. He moves very quickly, despite his size. And it matters here. If Ultron is 1m away from him, unlike a human, he can just snap out his arm (not even all the way) and cover that distance quickly and easily, whereas a human-sized opponent cannot. Thus, Ultron will have less time to react to attacks from the same distance away as he would from a much smaller opponent.

Anyway, we both agree Optimus takes it in anyways.