composite human scenario!
if you were to stack the speed, strength, intelligence , endurance, senses, mental tenacity and fortitude AND the durability of every human on the planet and put them into a composite body thats capable of using its abilities to its fullest potential, who is the strongest possible being he can defeat in combat?
1.comics only
2.all of fiction
Let's look at strength. The average man can military press about 80-100 pounds. But since we're also factoring in women and children (and babies? -- "every human on the planet"😉, this number should be much, MUCH lower. However, for argument's sake, let's say an 'average' press of 50 pounds.
50 lbs x 7 billion (round-off) = 350 billion pounds = 175 million tons. This is "high megaton" strength (ie, lifting =/> 100 million tons but < a billion tons). This is a mountain-lifter, hardly on par with a planet-pusher.
Speed. Average man can run about 20-25 mph. But again, factoring in women, children and babies ("every human on the planet"😉, significantly lessens this, but let's say 10 mph.
10 mph x 7 billion = 70 billion mph = about 100x lightspeed. Now we have something here...except that we're simply amping human ability with no special provisions (eg, no speedforce), so this Composite Human could not even reach lightspeed. At best, s/he is "high kilosonic" (can reach Mach 100,000+, but less than Mach 900,000 ,ie, lightspeed).
Durability? The Composite Human would have to be tough enough to lift a mountain and withstand high-speed effects (like friction with the air, inertial control, relativisitic effects). Very hard to judge this, so let's just say our CH could withstand explosions equal to big asteroid impacts: "high atom" durability. Maybe low-nova durability (can withstand being inside a star short of the core).
So, just looking at these three factors, *Composito* has --
-- high-megaton strength
-- high-kilosonic speed
-- high-atom/low-nova durability
IMO, Composito is not beating any high heralds. Low? Mid? Don't rightly know.
Fun with numbers. 😮💨
Originally posted by Mindship
Let's look at strength. The average man can military press about 80-100 pounds. But since we're also factoring in women and children (and babies? -- "every human on the planet"😉, this number should be much, MUCH lower. However, for argument's sake, let's say an 'average' press of 50 pounds.50 lbs x 7 billion (round-off) = 350 billion pounds = 175 million tons. This is "high megaton" strength (ie, lifting =/> 100 million tons but < a billion tons). This is a mountain-lifter, hardly on par with a planet-pusher.
Speed. Average man can run about 20-25 mph. But again, factoring in women, children and babies ("every human on the planet"😉, significantly lessens this, but let's say 10 mph.
10 mph x 7 billion = 70 billion mph = about 100x lightspeed. Now we have something here...except that we're simply amping human ability with no special provisions (eg, no speedforce), so this Composite Human could not even reach lightspeed. At best, s/he is "high kilosonic" (can reach Mach 100,000+, but less than Mach 900,000 ,ie, lightspeed).
Durability? The Composite Human would have to be tough enough to lift a mountain and withstand high-speed effects (like friction with the air, inertial control, relativisitic effects). Very hard to judge this, so let's just say our CH could withstand explosions equal to big asteroid impacts: "high atom" durability. Maybe low-nova durability (can withstand being inside a star short of the core).
So, just looking at these three factors, *Composito* has --
-- high-megaton strength
-- high-kilosonic speed
-- high-atom/low-nova durabilityIMO, Composito is not beating any high heralds. Low? Mid? Don't rightly know.
Fun with numbers. 😮💨
ooooooooOOOOO now this is what im looking for!! lets just go ahead and throw the laws of physiques out the window for the sake of making the composite man as strong as possible. also youre stacking the attributes so why would you lessen the results?
Originally posted by Mindship
Fun with numbers. 😮💨
That said, Marvel's Collective Man gives some idea of what might come of this, at least physically.
With the combined strength of 10 Thousand people he managed to get Sasquatch up offa him:
There are 7 Billion people on the world, so, thats the above feat multiplied by 7 Hundred Thousand.
Collective Man could only channel the above power briefly, while Ghostman's character'd have 7 Hundred Thousand times that power as a norm.
Not sure how the other stats he's asking about (speed, intelligence, endurance, senses, mental tenacity and fortitude) factor in, but they're likely to be similarly multiplied.
So, a strong, fast, smart, durable brick. Characters with more varied power sets beating him isnt out of the question.
Originally posted by ghostman
ooooooooOOOOO now this is what im looking for!! lets just go ahead and throw the laws of physiques out the window for the sake of making the composite man as strong as possible. also youre stacking the attributes so why would you lessen the results?
Originally posted by riv6672
More like crap with numbers, as you're lowballing everything because there are women and children involved.
As the OP said: "every human on the planet". Every human. That doesn't mean just men. It means Every Single Human Being on the Planet. That includes babies and seniors: people well before and well after their physical prime.
As an example, for simplicity's sake: 1 man can lift (military press) 100 lbs. 1 woman can lift 50 lbs (the average woman has about half the upper-body muscle mass of the average man). One 1-yr-old (eg) can lift 5(?) lbs. This gives us 3 peeps lifting a total of 155 lbs, averaging 52 lbs/person.
Seems pretty straightforward to me.
EDIT: I just realized I wasn't even counting the sick, malnourished or injured. "Every human on the planet" takes in a very wide range of
variables.
Perhaps the OP should've said "every male in their physical prime"? Then all we'd need is the estimated number of men-in-their-prime to calc with.
No, he doesnt.
He's averaging out, (and thereby lowballing) when he shouldnt be.
I can press about 275 over my head, him 100 you 50. Thats 425 pounds between us. Not an average between us. He's short changing everyone.
Edit:
OP is asking an abstract question that can best be answered by using a character who's power is what the OP is referring to, at least insofar as strength is concerned.
10 Thousand people (no mention of age gender infirmity) put Collective Man in a 90-100 ton range.
Pretty cut and dried.
Originally posted by riv6672
I can press about 275 over my head, him 100 you 50. Thats 425 pounds between us. Not an average between us. He's short changing everyone.
Sum = Average * Number of People
It's not short changing anyone...it's the literal definition of an average... 😕
Your scenario is just a not so realistic average of 140 lbs. When you consider that half the population is female, developing countries have a population skewing towards younger children, many developed countries have very much aging populations, etc., your average is just not realistic.
I totes see what you're saying, though i disagree.
If anything, my scan gives a way better/more concrete "average" and is being ignored.
But thats fine. Me being right isnt dependent on anyone understanding that fact.
This was a fun question to mull over. Dont have anything else to add, having correctly answered it. 🙂
Originally posted by riv6672
No, he doesnt.He's averaging out, (and thereby lowballing) when he shouldnt be.
I can press about 275 over my head, him 100 you 50. Thats 425 pounds between us. Not an average between us. He's short changing everyone.
Edit:
OP is asking an abstract question that can best be answered by using a character who's power is what the OP is referring to, at least insofar as strength is concerned.
10 Thousand people (no mention of age gender infirmity) put Collective Man in a 90-100 ton range.
Pretty cut and dried.
Yea, he does.
The only way to get a fair estimate is to average.
Youre lowballing me as i can military press a whole lot more than 50 phuckin lbs. I also highly doubt u can press 275. That's elite level but whatevs..
Originally posted by staxamillion
i think Riv's way would be better for this simulation if we are making a composite of the globe not an average.
facepalm
Are schools that bad these days that they don't explain averages?
Christ, a composite is an average * the number of people. You're saying the same thing
Originally posted by CogitoActually you're probably right. I forgot to factor in how fast toddlers or seniors could run. And also, over what distance. I imagine Mr. Bolt's speed would be less running a marathon (I was thinking in terms of a sprint).
I'm with you on everything except this. Usain Bolt's speed record is 27.8 mph, so I would say the average is well below 20-25
Too many variables. Sample population should be limited to (eg) able-bodied males in their prime.
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Also, for what it's worth...
Back in the day, I could m-press well over my bodyweight of 150 lbs, and according to a book on weightlifting I had read back then, pressing one's bodyweight was something only 1 in a 100,000 could do. But even if it was only 1 in 1000, or 1 in 100, that's still way above average and you definitely would not multiple what I could do x 7 bil. And these days, from what friends in the medical field tell me, the average person my age (that's 60, folks) has trouble doing a single, frickin' leg raise. Unbelievable.