Weakest Ancient Sith that can take Darth Vader?

Started by AncientPower4 pages

The more you post the less I think you've ever actually read Star Wars.

Prolly Sadow.

Originally posted by AncientPower
The more you post the less I think you've ever actually read Star Wars.
Why else would Vader have been offered the suit?

Palpatine seems pissed when Anakin turns it down.

Palpatine has made it abundantly clear that he never dreamed of having post!Mustafar Vader surpass him.

Originally posted by SunRazer
There isn't a single quantifiable metric for 80%, other than Lucas saying right after that that it makes Vader closer to Dooku or Maul than Palpatine.

No, he outright stated it in one interview. I've posted the interview before.

Though, IIRC, he doesn't state "80%" but rather "four fifths" or something like that (which comes out to the same thing). I'll look around for it.

Originally posted by AncientPower
Palpatine has made it abundantly clear that he never dreamed of having post!Mustafar Vader surpass him.

Uh...

In Dark Lord, Palpatine believes Vader's limitations are merely mental and that Vader could still surpass him.

Yeh, but he makes it equally clear in works such as Book of Sith, that Vader was never actually going to replace him.

Tulak Hord or Revan (or Nihilus–that is, if he actually was weaker than either of them).

Neither of which are true.

Originally posted by ares834
No, he outright stated it in one interview. I've posted the interview before.

Though, IIRC, he doesn't state "80%" but rather "four fifths" or something like that (which comes out to the same thing). I'll look around for it.

I know he said it in an interview. I never contradicted that. I said there's no metric for it, meaning that you can't compare Vader's 80% with anybody else's percentages because they don't exist.

Exar, or maybe, maybe Ragnos or Nadd.

Originally posted by AncientPower
Yeh, but he makes it equally clear in works such as Book of Sith, that Vader was never actually going to replace him.
Book of Sith is one of the few sources that depict Sidious' attitude to his apprentices that way. It's been popping up everywhere recently. Whenever anyone is discussing Sidious and have access to more recent, or canon sources, Book of Sith finds a way to contradict it.

I'm thinking the author of that book just has an outdated notion of Vader/Maul, and Sidious' intentions.

Legends!Sidious wanted to absorb the universe into his consciousness.

Initially, canon!Sidious appeared to be a bit more of a team player so to speak with regards to Sith philosophy, but now per Tarkin, he wants to rewrite reality in his image.

Don't let your dreams be dreams!

In regards to this thread: Naga Sadow.

Originally posted by XSUPREMEXSKILLZ
In regards to this thread: Naga Sadow.

How so?

No one short of Exar Kun can take him for a majority.

Regardless of where you want to rank their Force power when contrasted with the Dark Lord, I'm not seeing any of them circumventing his superior martial skills

I just think that based on his holistic standing as one of the most powerful sith lords in galactic history, (according to even Palpatine himself, and he's arguably the most powerful entombed on Korriban, according to Uthar Wynn,) his being the champion of ancient sith knowledge, (Kun and Nadd are his products,) and his vast superiority over the swordfighters of the KOTOR 2 era, lead me to believe that he could plausibly defeat Vader.

Never said anything about a majority, though.

Ah yes, that's quite a different story. Yeah, Sadow can win some micro-minority imo.

Originally posted by AncientPower
Palpatine has made it abundantly clear that he never dreamed of having post!Mustafar Vader surpass him.
Then why did Sidious give him a new suit????

Vader turned it down.