Originally posted by Flyattractor
[b]Both of NuDoctor Who's take on "The Master". [/B]
Pshh, the girl version was stupid, but this version was awesome:
Plus this part:
Spoiler alert: those little balls of destruction are just the brains of humans from billions of years in the future.
Originally posted by SurturI love that video.
Pshh, the girl version was stupid, but this version was awesome:
I had trouble taking him seriously, considering he literally threw tantrums at multiple points in the film. Reminded me too much of prequel Anakin nonsense.
I personally found Snoke much more interesting, limited screen time and all.
Originally posted by quanchi112Snoke was okay. He seems to actually have an interest in Kylo Ren's well-being, which is sufficient enough to differentiate him from Palpatine (who casually discarded apprentices and even arranged for their deaths) and make him interesting, but I will have to see more from him.
Snoke was amazing. Both villains from TFA are fantastic.
Originally posted by AscendancyWhich made him far more interesting than any other character in the film. Rey was incredibly boring, Finn had real potential but was so poorly-handled the character is probably too far-gone to be made interesting, Poe was okay but barely present, and... I can't name any of the other characters but Snoke.
You didn't actually watch the movie, eh? He was an emo drama queen.
Kylo Ren is an in-universe Vader fanboy who has an established link to the original trilogy (being Han's son), which helps establish continuity and mythos, had a very atypical presentation (everyone else wants to be on the Light Side but struggles with their Dark Side, Kylo Ren wants to be on the Dark Side but struggles with his Light Side), is obviously immature and petulant, but also unstable, which makes him legitimately threatening (Rey beating him after he was heavily wounded does little to downplay this, though Rey using her mary sue powers to overpower his telepathy kind of does). He was shipped as being the successor to Vader, but the writers made this exactly what he intended to be, and then subverted it with his characterization to make him outwardly different than Vader, and then gave the character a dose of clever irony because, unknown to Kylo Ren, his idol was just as conflicted and emo as he was.
He's the best villain in the new movies, and easily the best character. At least so far.
He's the best whiny teen since Anakin, and more annoying in certain ways. His tantrums are pathetic, and they do nothing to add depth to his character. It's funny that so many people laughed at the way Anakin was portrayed in the prequels yet so many want to give Ren a pass when his characterization is just as garbage.
Calling him the best character really isn't saying much. They did such a bad job of making anyone interesting and non-generic that it isn't really hard to take that title.
Originally posted by AscendancyYou are the same guy who thinks Maul is in AOTC. This is opinion based so quit throwing an emo fit everytime someone likes Kylo. He's better than Vader. He will also greatly improve so prepare to eat your own words.
He's the best whiny teen since Anakin, and more annoying in certain ways. His tantrums are pathetic, and they do nothing to add depth to his character. It's funny that so many people laughed at the way Anakin was portrayed in the prequels yet so many want to give Ren a pass when his characterization is just as garbage.Calling him the best character really isn't saying much. They did such a bad job of making anyone interesting and non-generic that it isn't really hard to take that title.
The manner in which Anakin threw fits is a lot different and more feminine when compared to Ben's testosterone fueled rants.
Originally posted by jaden101
The concept of a Bizarro-type villain going against Reeves in his final Superman film could've been great, but, man, did it turn out to stink.
I'm a big Bond fan, so it makes me cringe at what could've been with Christoph Waltz as Blofeld in Spectre, but that was mishandled big time.
Originally posted by Ascendancy
He's the best whiny teen since Anakin,
Ren is thirty actually.
and more annoying in certain ways.
This is what's known as a subjective b!tch-nigga criticism. It's a vague buzzword.
His tantrums are pathetic,
Right, and seemingly (which is more important than author intent btw) intentionally so. 👆
and they do nothing to add depth to his character.
Another subjective b!tch-nigga criticism. Also plainly wrong.
Do his tantrums add something else to his character? Yes they do, they show us that he is very easily angered, immature, and impulsive. It emphasizes his manchild traits, and actually might have established them, since IIRC we didn't see much of his personality before, where he was portrayed as more of an aloof Vader-esque figure.
It's funny that so many people laughed at the way Anakin was portrayed in the prequels yet so many want to give Ren a pass when his characterization is just as garbage.
People laughed at the way Anakin was portrayed in the prequels because he was poorly-acted and had to recite horrible dialogue, and was part of an incredibly cheesy romance subplot. Anakin's character conceptually was fine, but the execution was just very poor.
Kylo Ren by contrast is much better acted and isn't hamstrung by Lucas' shitty dialogue.
Calling him the best character really isn't saying much. They did such a bad job of making anyone interesting and non-generic that it isn't really hard to take that title.
This much is true. Ren is by far the best character in the film, though he isn't by any means one of my favorite villains. Though neither is any other Star Wars character.