Originally posted by JmanghanAwful.
Honestly? People are more biased against a character that a specific person likes.In one place, if you try to argue for them, they'll say that the character would get stomped.
In another thread, they'll say that same character would stomp the one they were arguing for.
@Urs: Well, yeah. The_Tempest is bias as hell for Palpatine, his arguments are just so good, it can, objectively, still be viewed as an argument from someone with zero investment, or love for the character.
When you're bias, and your arguments are shit --- then, you look, y'know, just bias. The NJO debaters fit that niche perfectly.
Kyp approaching Kenobi as a duelist springs into mind.
Originally posted by Deronn_solo
I rest my case.😂
fite me irl
Besides, I'm much more a part of the PT brigade than I am of the NJO brigade, and I wank Kenobi more as he directly leads into wanking some of fav characters in the mythos(Dooku, Anakin, Mace, Vader, Krayt).
So you can't really accuse me of favouritism in this case when I wank Obi more than Kyp, probably.
Originally posted by Deronn_solo
@Urs: Well, yeah. The_Tempest is bias as hell for Palpatine, his arguments are just so good, it can, objectively, still be viewed as an argument from someone with zero investment, or love for the character.When you're bias, and your arguments are shit --- then, you look, y'know, just bias. The NJO debaters fit that niche perfectly.
Kyp approaching Kenobi as a duelist springs into mind.
To the When you're bias and your argument's are shit... didn't you yourself just separated Debating Ability and Bias? Or how do you mean it?
Well...potentially. I mean, citing the last debate between you and Wollf as example, it was only "Kit couldn't kill one of Sidious elite's" "Nah" "He can." No." etc.
I understand what you mean; there is to less explanation why these feats are impressive. (Well, I wanted to do an blog on something in this area as well, but I am lazy af lol).
Depends on your definition of "approaching".
Edit: @Wollf Compared to other forum members? Nah.
Ehhhh....someone like LeG or Neph would probably see Tempest's arguments of Sidious > Valkorion, or something similar, as biased.
Probably not, probably so. But to [most] that has zero investment in any of the characters [be it Valk or Sidious], Tempest case[s] are articulate, informative, and convincing.
Biased is something very subjective, obviously.
Almost everything in the world is, at the end of the day, so I dunno the point of bringing this up.
To the When you're bias and your argument's are shit... didn't you yourself just separated Debating Ability and Bias?
Umm, actually I think my Temp example fits perfectly when that philosophy. I don't have to agree with his viewpoint to see they are top-notch cases, bias or not. It's just when you're bad, and so obviously bias, you look 100% worse.
Well...potentially. I mean, citing the last debate between you and Wollf as example, it was only "Kit couldn't kill one of Sidious elite's" "Nah" "He can." No." etc.
That was an example of shit debating by both parties, yeah.
I had a much more detailed response saved on Google docs, but I'm not sure if I even want to bother finishing the debate.
Depends on your definition of "approaching".
Someone that approaches a top 15 duelist in the entire mythos needs better showings than chopping down fodder, getting stomped by Slayers, or accolades, that isn't inferior to Anoon Bondara.
@Wollf Compared to other forum members? Nah.
I plead the fifth on that.
Originally posted by ILS
Everyone has biases as much as you try to detach yourself. What matters is the content of your argument.That's why it looks like your average TOR fan is a frothing at the mouth fanboy, when they're no more biased than anyone else. They're just shit at hiding it.
Didn't see this yesterday, but bingo.