Originally posted by Galan007
Why in the heck does it matter, when we're talking about two completely different mindsets here, lol..?Bloodlusted Superman(end of arc) >>>> boyscout Superman(beginning of arc)
If he can "prove" that Doomsday wasn't very strong at the beginning, he can justify that neither were overly impressive in the end. It's moving the goal post. He can't argue anymore against that Doomsday had been getting stronger as the fight went on but an exhausted, injured Superman still beat him to death, after previously basically being unable to hurt him at all(even as low as hurting his hands punching Doomsday), once he stopped holding back. So if he can try to convince us that Doomsday was weak at the start, it's not that great a feat.
This has been explained to carver over and over again.
But he is still like "superman only has one power level gear" "superman can't get stronger" what ever is his justification carver will bring the same argument over and over again.
He tries to lowball superman
Deal with it carver Superman's power changes with his mind set basically
Strength aside(because it's blatantly obvious that Superman became a LOT more powerful in the final issue), Supes also mentioned that he needed to significantly increase his SPEED to match Doomsday's:
IOW, this bloodlusted Superman was not only far stronger, but he was also far faster than his standard 'boyscout' self. 🙂
Originally posted by Galan007
Strength aside(because it's blatantly obvious that Superman became a LOT more powerful in the final issue), Supes also mentioned that he needed to significantly increase his SPEED to match Doomsday's:IOW, this bloodlusted Superman was not only far stronger, but he was also far faster than his standard 'boyscout' self. 🙂
In a month from now Carver will forget about this scan and when this point comes out once again. Carver will say "scans?"
Originally posted by Galan007
Why in the heck does it matter, when we're talking about two completely different mindsets here, lol..?Bloodlusted Superman(end of arc) >>>> boyscout Superman(beginning of arc)
It matters because of th3 strength difference here. We have one character that was generating so much power that people like Thor, Namor, Apocalypse, Doom, etc was pissing on themselves. Terrified. To the point that Reed thought the world was about to end. On the other hand, we have Lois standing right beside Doomsday and Superman while they were going all out. That's a HUGE difference and you can't deny that Galan. Especially when you're the person who said Cell can't destroy a planet with his fist and used Cell punching the ground creating a crater. Collateral damage is your Thang Galan.
Originally posted by carver9
Imagine if Superman would've destroyed someone armor/stalemate ina fist fight someone that was empowered by Xavier, Magneto, Franklin Richards, and Xman... imagine what the forum would be like, especially ABHI. The only reason they are not making it that big of a deal is because its Hulk.
Originally posted by Galan007
😂 what? Collateral damage has NEVER been my 'thang'... I can't even count the amount of times I have explicitly said: "collateral damage doesn't equate to power-output"... And this is certainly one of those instances.Now you're just outright lying, carver. That's pathetic... Even for you. 👇
So I'm lying about you saying Cell can't fist punch a planet to sleep and you posting a scan of Cell punching the ground? It doesn't matter...what I said is more than just collateral damage anyways. The difference in power is huge.
Not sure why you're randomly bringing up DBZ here, but I can literally post a few dozen quotes where I have explicitly stated that collateral damage doesn't mean shit. Do I need to do that, or can you just man-up admit that you lied for no reason? srsly
Annnnnyway, if you want to talk collaterally, then it took a punch capable of "moving a planet" just to KO Superboy... So just imagine how much strength was required to KILL Doomsday with a punch!!! vin
Originally posted by Galan007
Not sure why you're randomly bringing up DBZ here, but I can literally post a few dozen quotes where I have explicitly stated that collateral damage doesn't mean shit. Do I need to do that, or can you just man-up admit that you lied for no reason? srslyAnnnnnyway, if you want to talk collaterally, then it took a punch capable of "moving a planet" just to KO Superboy... So just imagine how much strength was required to KILL Doomsday with a punch!!! vin
I never said you outright said Collateral damage is the end all be all. What I'm saying js, you used collateral damage as a source of power but whatever.
High showing for Superboy. We are discussing consistency here.
Originally posted by Rao Kal El
Galactus took a step on NY and he didn't shake the eastern seaborn.Hulk is more powerful than Galactus.
Anyhow I have read both arcs several times and I think this Superman in this mind set will win.
This was written by Pak. Someone who outright said it would take someone on Galactus level to beat WWH. No telling what he thought it would take to take out World Breaker.
Originally posted by carver9
It matters because of th3 strength difference here. We have one character that was generating so much power that people like Thor, Namor, Apocalypse, Doom, etc was pissing on themselves. Terrified. To the point that Reed thought the world was about to end. On the other hand, we have Lois standing right beside Doomsday and Superman while they were going all out. That's a HUGE difference and you can't deny that Galan. Especially when you're the person who said Cell can't destroy a planet with his fist and used Cell punching the ground creating a crater. Collateral damage is your Thang Galan.
You're going to argue how much collateral damage matters when it suits you and then argue how much it doesn't matter when it suits you. Par for the hypocrite's course.
Originally posted by carver9
This was written by Pak. Someone who outright said it would take someone on Galactus level to beat WWH. No telling what he thought it would take to take out World Breaker.
So you'll accept that Superman in his Probe Busting mindset would have beaten Imperiex Prime? Writer said a similar thing that you're sucking Pak over.