a blood lusted flash

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
OP just asked who could, based on a convo with his friend.

No implications of following KMC battle board rules. Maybe he does, maybe he doesn't, but he doesn't say.

How would the probability reverse back on him, when she doesn't have it?

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Huh? You lost me.

I messed up in trying to quote properly in the previous post.
Harder to do this with iPhone than the laptop I used to always use.
Maybe that's throwing you off. Here, let me see if this corrects the problem:

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
It doesn't show that her back is towards him....which again, isn't quite the same as her power working whilst she's asleep. She's in battle, knowing she's facing several foes, with weapons scattered about.

Well, the Frankie Silvera scan does have Cat showing her rear to Frankie, but it's a moot point given I can show a scene where artwork AND dialogue let the reader know Cat is unaware she is in danger.

And her power still protects her:

Originally posted by DarkSaint85

A far cry from suddenly fading from existence because she was taken out before she was even born.

What you're suggesting, however, is a far cry from the encounter the original poster of this thread proposed, or even implies he's proposing.

Standard forum rules at least have the 2 sides know they're facing each other, after all.
And once the battle's begun, if Flash makes any moves with hostile intentions toward Cat, probability says he WILL find the attack disastrously turned back on him.

My point was, that this entire debate grew out of an argument OP had with his friend.

With no stipulations on what the fight conditions (0.5km etc) were.

All we know is that one side has a bloodlusted Flash with full command of the Speed Force.

So to argue using KMC rules is....well, unless OP and his friend have it in play, its moot.

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
OP just asked who could, based on a convo with his friend.

No implications of following KMC battle board rules. Maybe he does, maybe he doesn't, but he doesn't say.

How would the probability reverse back on him, when she doesn't have it?

OP can clarify what he meant in some subsequent post.
Assuming that this IS meant to be a reasonably standard KMC match, however,
the easy answer to who could beat Flash with everything mentioned in this thread so far is Marvel Comics' Black Cat, at least when she had her "true" bad luck" powers. For her power was always active, always defended her against deliberate hostile action, and essentially meant the "backfiring" of ALMOST every fight action taken against her.

Notable exceptions?

The "magics" of Scarlet Witch and Dr.Strange.
The first is arguably the most interesting, for it implies in a roundabout way that Felicia Hardy is actually a mutant, or at least very mutant-like.
Such is actually touched on in various stories, and since it at least laterally addresses your query of probability:

Sorry. Meant to include THIS scan in the previous post:

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
My point was, that this entire debate grew out of an argument OP had with his friend.

With no stipulations on what the fight conditions (0.5km etc) were.

All we know is that one side has a bloodlusted Flash with full command of the Speed Force.

So to argue using KMC rules is....well, unless OP and his friend have it in play, its moot.

your right we werent debating with "kmc rules" but whichever way works... would the black cat even have an split second before she dies? with full use of the speed force he could b hopping aorund time and space

Originally posted by yaadaveyaa
your right we werent debating with "kmc rules" but whichever way works... would the black cat even have an split second before she dies? with full use of the speed force he could b hopping aorund time and space

Ah! Now I see.

You just wanted ways Flash could come out the ultimate winner or prove himself the most formidable character or something of that sort?

Well, if he doesn't make the mistake of actually first trying to actually FIGHT Black Cat or somebody with her specs, then, yes, I could see the "maximized" Flash being used here as able to defeat virtually anyone herald level or below.

He'd want to avoid an actual confrontation with Felicia as she was when she had her "bad luck" powers, though. That would end badly for Flash.

I was actually doing a bit more research on said "bad luck " phenomena last night. Never fully understood by Cat herself, it apparently not only affected people in direct engagements, but in time periods afterwards, without Cat's intention or even her knowledge, and could apparently worsen over time even after exposure to Cat herself had long been cut off.
Has disturbing implications for former foes, really ...

Anyway, has to be seen to be appreciated, so ...
(click on/view the following)

Originally posted by bluewaterrider
Ah! Now I see.

You just wanted ways Flash could come out the ultimate winner or prove himself the most formidable character or something of that sort?

Well, if he doesn't make the mistake of actually first trying to actually FIGHT Black Cat or somebody with her specs, then, yes, I could see the "maximized" Flash being used here as able to defeat virtually anyone herald level or below.

He'd want to avoid an actual confrontation with Felicia as she was when she had her "bad luck" powers, though. That would end badly for Flash.

I was actually doing a bit more research on said "bad luck " phenomena last night. Never fully understood by Cat herself, it apparently not only affected people in direct engagements, but in time periods afterwards, without Cat's intention or even her knowledge, and could apparently worsen over time even after exposure to Cat herself had long been cut off.
Has disturbing implications for former foes, really ...

Anyway, has to be seen to be appreciated, so ...
(click on/view the following)

yeah something along those lines ... a friend is a big fan of flash and i told him there were a lot more powerful that lead to well if he had full control of the speed force and really wanted to kill everyone who could stop him... and i couldnt find to many that really made sense, i did say prof x but if he doesnt know the fight is going on hes dead before he gets to crebro

he wouldn't need cerebro. but yeah he would have to know there is a fight

Originally posted by staxamillion
he wouldn't need cerebro. but yeah he would have to know there is a fight

he would in order to find him no? if he has full use of the spped forece he can hop time and b anywhere ... i would think he would need cerebro in order just ot find him let alone stop him

i don't think Charles could stop him period. im just saying he wouldn't need cerebro necessarily to find him if he knew he was looking.

Originally posted by staxamillion
i don't think Charles could stop him period. im just saying he wouldn't need cerebro necessarily to find him if he knew he was looking.

ok i see what you're saying. i dont think so either but i keep trying to think of someone who can slow him down.

It can be done, but would need prep. Mr Fantastic could do it.