Should alternative "non-canon" videogame options be considered reliable?

Started by Azronger3 pages

Originally posted by Beniboybling
Well it seems to boil down to the fundamental issue as to whether non-canon/alternate endings adhere to established framework of the characters and settings involved. And I agree with Nova on this that as a role playing experience there is no reason for them not to in most instances, and in most instances, it seems kinda asinine to write them off.

For example in the non-canon dark side path the Exile attacks Vrook and after healing himself he stuns the Exile with TK and flees. I see no reason to dismiss this as a feat. Kavar also stuns a group of soldiers and the Exile in the dark side path as well. There is also a seem in which Kreia impales herself to KO Meetra. All these feats provide valuable insights into the abilities of the characters involved, and it doesn't seem sensible to dismiss them, simply because they are non-canon.

Agreed.

On the other though you could argue that given alternative endings as non-canon have no obligation to follow the framework of the characters and setting, we have no guarantee that they do, and therefore can't be relied upon for evidence. And there is basis for this in for example the Dark Side DLC packs for TFU where Starkiller does things like kill Kenobi's ghost by throwing him into the Falcon's sunlight engines... which is obviously them taking liberties with the universe. On the other hand something like Sidious one shotting Vader is more believable, but still unprecedented, should that be taken as accurate too?

Neither of these is accurate, and could be dismissed given that they do not align with the power levels of the canon stuff. However, if you dismiss all of them as inaccurate simply because one or two are you are committing a fallacy and your argument is rendered invalid.

Then there is also what if stuff like the Head-to-Heads and that What If Mortis scenario involving Anakin and the Son. The second has actually been used as legitimate evidence but it's arguably no less valid than the Head to Heads. Should these be considered valid as well and if not what distinguishes them from the aforementioned stuff?

I haven't seen too many Head-to-Head articles, but if there is evidence to the contrary of what they say found in the mythos, I guess they could be dismissed, too.

The Mortis story is perfectly valid, however, as there exists a 100% canon quote claiming Knightfall Vader is more powerful than either Yoda or Sidious.

So you argue that inconsistencies would be overruled by canon evidence?

What does Sidious one shotting Vader contradict however?

And where is it stated that Knightfall Vader > Yoda & Sids?

@Beni - Actually, Marek kills Ben Kenobi physically by hurling him into the Falcon's engines. He kills the Ghost with Lightning.

Ah fair enough.

Originally posted by Darth Thor
Well in regards to TFU, the novels have the alternate endings as visions Galen has. I.e. Possible alternate futures.

Also wasn't killing Ben's ghost part of the gameplay? Or was it a proper scene? Anyone got it to post?

Originally posted by Beniboybling
So you argue that inconsistencies would be overruled by canon evidence?

Yes.

What does Sidious one shotting Vader contradict however?

In RotJ, Vader manages to hurl Sidious down the shaft. In the game, he's instantly on his knees.

And where is it stated that Knightfall Vader > Yoda & Sids?

Palpatine elevated himself to the position of Emperor, and dispatched Vader as his ultimate enforcer. With his unparalleled Force abilities, Vader swept through the Jedi Temple.

-Databank (old): Darth Vader

As I said before, we can't definitively prove it either way, so it's only a matter of perspective.

Originally posted by Azronger

Palpatine elevated himself to the position of Emperor, and dispatched Vader as his ultimate enforcer. With his unparalleled Force abilities, Vader swept through the Jedi Temple.

-Databank (old): Darth Vader

Palpatine calls Machine Vader's powers "unparalleled" in Canon as well. It doesn't make him more powerful than Sheev. It's just means he has certain abilities hat no one can match.

@Thor - It's part of a QTE.

Originally posted by Darth Thor
Palpatine calls Machine Vader's powers "unparalleled" in Canon as well. It doesn't make him more powerful than Sheev. It's just means he has certain abilities hat no one can match.

Except that the quote I posted is from an omniscient perspective, so I'd say it counts.