Originally posted by EmperordmbI also enjoyed how Rogue One was less morally black and white with even some of the good guys making hard calls and doing morally dubious things, whereas the most morally dubious shit in TFA from a good guy was "should I help out or run away from the fight."
This was one of the big reasons I like RO, maybe I missed some EU stories but holy hell it bothered the crap out of me that the Rebellion was always 100% in the right with what they were doing, that they never did anything that was morally wrong.
Yeah...I know it's fiction, that was one of the things, despite me having the RA in my Top 3 factions that bothered me to no end, cause there was no way that they were always right, that's just completely unrealistic even by fiction standards with the way the SWU is set up.
Rogue One by a long shot.
I loved pretty much everything about the movie.
My only complaints are:
- minimal dialogue
- minimal character development
- Jyn not being as rebellious as advertised
But considering the fast pace of the movie and the ending, it made perfect sense not to invest too much into these areas.
That being said, I would not want to see the main episodic movies being made similar to Rogue One. Official episode movies need more depth and more character development.
I rated TFA 7 - 7.5 / 10.
I rated Rogue One 9 - 10/ 10.
Originally posted by EmperordmbNgl you might've changed my mind. :mmm:
Honestly, while I found the lack of originality of TFA disappointing, I did legitimately enjoy TFA.That being said, Rogue One does rank higher for me. Between it's plot originality, it's more fast paced nature, and the fact that I'm actually set up to be emotionally invested in the Rebels (unlike the new Republic, where the only reason I gave a shit about the destruction of the Hosnian system was Harrison Ford's sad face and John William's sad music), it was just more exciting for me to watch, not to mention it feels more like a war with the grittier combat scenes, and HOLY SHIT the space battle.
I also enjoyed how Rogue One was less morally black and white with even some of the good guys making hard calls and doing morally dubious things, whereas the most morally dubious shit in TFA from a good guy was "should I help out or run away from the fight."
I also preferred the villains of Rogue One, don't get me wrong, I actually enjoyed Kylo Ren as a character, and thought Hux's passion driven extremist speech was a good choice for the character, but we know next to nothing about Snoke, Phasma was absolute shit, and Hux was relatively undeveloped, whereas Rogue One did an excellent job portraying the Empire and Krennic and Tarkin. Not to mention that the rivalry between Krennic and Tarkin was actually something real with conflict over who gets credit for the Death Star, threats, passive aggressive compliments, and Tarkin knowingly ordering Krennic's death at the end, which definitely trumps the nasty looks Kylo and Hux shot each other during their conversations with Snoke. And again, even though I actually like Kylo and his character development... he just can't compare with the OG. Sure Vader wasn't in Rogue One that much, but both of his scenes were perfect.
And lastly, Rogue One just does a better job building off of the lore. It expands upon the origins of the Death Star, the Rebel alliance, the Empire, Darth Vader, the retrieval of the Death Star plans, does a lot of world building, and just ties up a lot of loose ends and connects and fits into the existing canon lore almost perfectly (aside from the Leia/Vader convo which is a little shaky). TFA on the other hand, while it does do some world building and sets up for a new trilogy, it honestly doesn't do the best job building off of what before it, instead of building off of a Galaxy freed from tyranny, it's resetting the plot to the ANH Empire/First Order vs Rebels/Resistance oppressor underdog dynamic, with the most building off of the ROTJ victory being the New Republic, which we got to spend zero time with before its destruction. On top of this, again while I enjoyed the movie, Luke running away makes zero sense given the way ROTJ set up his character arc.
Originally posted by Emperordmb
Honestly, while I found the lack of originality of TFA disappointing, I did legitimately enjoy TFA.
Ugh I just rewatched TFA last night and found some enjoyment in it.
It's basically Finn that makes that film enjoyable (on top of Han Solo of course).
If you just turn a blind eye to the way it rehash's ANH, then that helps too.
They're both good in different ways.
I liked TFA because of the new characters, planets, and special effects. I wasn't a huge fan of the plot, and I thought it was really stupid how Rey beat Kylo Ren.
I liked Rogue One because it showed us the Star Wars universe like we've never seen it before, the space battle was epic, the ground battle was also epic, and the scenes with Vader were awesome. I wasn't a huge fan of the new characters however, and the first hour of the movie was a little slow.
Overall I'd say Rogue One was the better movie. I expect episode VIII will be really good; all of the same new characters (plus more), more planets, great special effects, and hopefully a better story than TFA.