Originally posted by Emperordmb
And it's stupider still to keep ****ing over our planet in a way that could potentially lead to the extinction of the human race becuz moneyz
Pollution is a problem in developing countries due to them lacking in greener techniques for extracting fossil fuels and resources for research and replacement. This is not an issue in the U.S.
If want to fight causes of pollution then focus on issues of developing countries. Don't derail your own.
By the way, extinction is inevitable just like climate change. If not through our own devices, nature will get rid of us one day through its own devices. Don't worry about it. Worry about how to manage things (correctly) at present.
Originally posted by S_W_LeGenDNo one is saying we should abruptly close down the fossil fuel industry, that needs to be done gradually. What we're saying needs to be done is more investment in cheaper and efficient clean energy. Development of solar technology and improvement of wind farm effectiveness. Stuff like that.
Right.Look at this:
Notice the percentage of petroleum in use? That is not changing anytime soon. Electric cars are a step in the right direction but they will not replace other cars in 2017.
No problem with promoting alternatives but change should come with planning; not in a haphazard way. If you will stop extracting fossil fuels, you will have to import them from other countries and this is contributing to trade deficit (exports < imports). National debt is climbing as a consequence and cost of energy is increasing. Jobs opportunities are limited and people have to struggle more to pay the bills. Rich (including politicians) are profiting while working classes continue to suffer. The economy will continue to experience periods of recession.
It is really stupid to ignore economics for the sake of appeasing a lobby. Please understand that climate change is inevitable and a part of natural order.
Our fight should be directed towards pollution. But stopping the industry and reliance on imports for domestic energy requirements is not a sustainable goal.
Unfortunately, republicans would rather completely reject the science of global warming and instead embolden the fossil fuel industry by lifting regulations and giving tax breaks.
Re: Climate change and the fossil fuel industry
Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD
[B]Climate change is inevitable. It has changed in the past long before human intervention and it will change in the future no matter what we do about it. This is natural order in the works, period.Unfortunately, environmental lobbyists and their roommates (Democrats) don't get the aforementioned fact and want to kill the American fossil fuel industry (Obama administration has nearly killed coal mining industry for example). Do these idiots understand that even if they kill the American fossil fuel industry, they cannot do jack about it in other countries? Do they even understand the implications of killing American fossil fuel industry for the economy and working classes irrespective of race? What is the alternative according to these morons? How about they abandon all forms of technology, shift to caves and experience natural environment at its finest there? [/B]
Bringing back coal in any massive amount like the 'good ole days' is stupid, it's a dying industry; the future lies elsewhere in new technologies that will become better and cheaper as technology progresses, something that has been steadily happening for a long time now. Fossil fuels are here to stay in some form, as not everyone is getting an electric car tomorrow, but improvements in fuel efficiency in turn lower the need for fossil fuels. eg Adding solar panels decreases the load for conventional electricity to a home. Water turbines in our water lines creates energy that can power buildings about them etc. etc. etc.
While other developing countries will pollute, they'll also see what's going on elsewhere and jump onboard in time. China for example is starting to invest heavily into cleaner energy sources because the air over their major cities is/has become a health risk.
In short, the future isn't in the past; morons like you really make the world a worst place.
Originally posted by Lord Lucien
The 6th mass extinction is underway, we may as well go hard now and kill as much of the diversity of life as possible. We should also finish off what we started in the rainforests--cut all of them down and replace them with strip mines and farms.And those polar ice caps aren't going to melt themselves. They need our help so that they can raise sea levels and force hundreds of millions of people to flee diminishing coastlines. Then we can look back on the comparatively insignificant refugee crisis of the early 21st century with whimsical nostalgia.
But don't take our jawbs.
Nice 👆
Originally posted by Surtur
Nobody denied climate change at all. I was simply attempting to use logic. Once Trump sees the irrefutable evidence it will be hard to deny.
You think Trump hasn't already seen the evidence? The fact is that he's not draining the swamp, he's buddying up with the republican establishment and that means more tax breaks for huge oil companies. Hell he made the CEO of Exxon his Secretary of State...
Originally posted by Firefly218
You think Trump hasn't already seen the evidence? The fact is that he's not draining the swamp, he's buddying up with the republican establishment and that means more tax breaks for huge oil companies. Hell he made the CEO of Exxon his Secretary of State...
I can't speak with any certainty as to if Trump has seen the conclusive evidence or not. I know he is aware that a lot of scientists believe in climate change, but he also might be aware that in science a mere consensus doesn't actually make something fact.
So who knows I can't speak to what he has been shown.
Originally posted by Robtard
Trump supporters like Surtur do not give a single shit what Trump does going forward(he's expressed this); Trump could break every single campaign promise and he'd still be happy because people like him supported Trump just so they could say "haha, we won Libs, suck it!"
A variety of times I have expressed I do indeed care what he does going forward.
But also..haha we won Libs, suck it! You couldn't even defeat Donald Trump,your hypocritical bullshit cost you dearly. Please learn a lesson from this, lest you suffer the same exact fate in 2020 🙂
Originally posted by Robtard#exposehim
Trump supporters like Surtur do not give a single shit what Trump does going forward(he's expressed this); Trump could break every single campaign promise and he'd still be happy because people like him supported Trump just so they could say "haha, we won Libs, suck it!"
Originally posted by Surtur
A variety of times I have expressed I do indeed care what he does going forward.But also..haha we won Libs, suck it! You couldn't even defeat Donald Trump,your hypocritical bullshit cost you dearly. Please learn a lesson from this, lest you suffer the same exact fate in 2020 🙂
Nope. You generally either avoid or try and sugarcoat.
Exactly. Sadly you're too dense to realize that makes you equal parts petty and moronic.