Originally posted by Darth ThorHe had the chance to fight back he chose to wait because he is nowhere near as powerful as Snoke. He was closer to Snoke than to the guards and the guards did not show long range capabilities.
Well Ken never even had the chance to fight back due to the guards. The guards which are canonically there for Snokes protection because he literally can not fight 😂
Originally posted by quanchi112
He was arrogant and the same pitiful rational applies to Sidious with Vader.
Not really, both scenes are entirely different.
Sidious was distracted with torturing Luke and given Vader limped over to stand next to him, he had zero reason to think Vader would betray him and he wasn't reading his thoughts either.
Snoke meanwhile had said as such that Kylo wouldn't betray him, while sitting on his throne and actively reading every thought and saying that nothing was hidden from him as he read his mind.
Now had Snoke not had done this and said that he was, the scene might be more believable. But it's not, not with the way it was set up.
How can one read one's mind in its entirety and yet still get shocked at the actions said person does? It makes zero sense.
Originally posted by ZenwolfNo, no, no. What is worse is that Luke is his damn son. How the hell you would not see a possible betrayal coming is silly.
Not really, both scenes are entirely different.Sidious was distracted with torturing Luke and given Vader limped over to stand next to him, he had zero reason to think Vader would betray him and he wasn't reading his thoughts either.
Snoke meanwhile had said as such that Kylo wouldn't betray him, while sitting on his throne and actively reading every thought and saying that nothing was hidden from him as he read his mind.
Now had Snoke not had done this and said that he was, the scene might be more believable. But it's not, not with the way it was set up.
How can one read one's mind in its entirety and yet still get shocked at the actions said person does? It makes zero sense.
So it is even worse the thought not even crossing his mind. Stupidity. Arrogance.
Because you control your mind and the situation by moving two sabers while the guy is too arrogant to look around. He let his guard down. Arrogance. The director explained the scene. You may not like it but you do not dictate Star Wars canon.
Originally posted by Zenwolf
Not really, both scenes are entirely different.Sidious was distracted with torturing Luke and given Vader limped over to stand next to him, he had zero reason to think Vader would betray him and he wasn't reading his thoughts either.
Snoke meanwhile had said as such that Kylo wouldn't betray him, while sitting on his throne and actively reading every thought and saying that nothing was hidden from him as he read his mind.
Now had Snoke not had done this and said that he was, the scene might be more believable. But it's not, not with the way it was set up.
How can one read one's mind in its entirety and yet still get shocked at the actions said person does? It makes zero sense.
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Originally posted by quanchi112
The director explained the scene. You may not like it but you do not dictate Star Wars canon.
Except you are misinterpreting the Director. As per usual when you have no evidence to back up your stance.
Star Wars Canon has already confirmed Snoke can. It fight himself.
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Originally posted by Darth ThorI quoted him word for word.
👆Except you are misinterpreting the Director. As per usual when you have no evidence to back up your stance.
Star Wars Canon has already confirmed Snoke can. It fight himself.
End of.
In my mind, he walks in there knowing basically that he is going to betray Snoke but he does not know yet exactly what the mechanism is and what his opportunity is going to be. But he has gone in there with the intent of, whether it is now or whether it is later or whenever it is, when he brings Rey in there, he has had that connection with her and what he says in the elevator… from that, in my head I thought, Okay, he knows he is going to do this but he does not know how yet and when he sees that opportunity with that lightsaber next to him and sees Snoke distracted and realizes he can give this an attempt, he goes for it.
^ Exactly he was distracted from seeing the Lightsaber turn WITH HIS EYES.
And distracted by what? Distracted by Kylo himself. Reading his mind yet completely failing to see Kylos true intentions.
He lost fair and square. And no where does Rian deny that.
Canon has already confirmed Snoke is a weakling without his guards. So time you man up and face facts. Snoke is no Vader and certainly no Sidious.
Snoke did not cause/create the bridge between Rey and Kylo. He just tapped-into and exploited a natural connection that was already there.
After all, their minds were still bridged in this final sequence:
Confirmed in the novelization:
As Kylo stared at the dice he sensed something else--a tremor in the Force, the prelude to a familiar connection. He stared at Rey. She stared back at him, her gaze level and unafraid. There was no hatred in her eyes, as there once had been. But there was no compassion, either. A moment later Rey severed the connection, leaving Kylo alone in the gloom with his father's dice resting in the palm of his upraised hand.-TLJ
And by that time Snoke was already quite dead, so... /shrug
Originally posted by Darth ThorHe did not see the lightsaber next to him. The situation was perfect for deception. He was distracted so the weaker character went for it since he is too weak to defeat him directly.
^ Exactly he was distracted from seeing the Lightsaber turn WITH HIS EYES.And distracted by what? Distracted by Kylo himself. Reading his mind yet completely failing to see Kylos true intentions.
He lost fair and square. And no where does Rian deny that.
Canon has already confirmed Snoke is a weakling without his guards. So time you man up and face facts. Snoke is no Vader and certainly no Sidious.
I posted the directors words. Argue with him.
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No, we see Snoke casually defeat Rey and humiliate Ren with his own powers. Snoke is extremely powerful.
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Originally posted by victreebelvictr
Interesting, did he monitor it?
Yep the connection was already there. He explained how they were connected by the Force.
As for whether Vader could do that, well Maul formed a connection between Kenobi and Ezra.
Snoke clearly has some strong force powers. But they are not on Sidious level. Not by a long shot. And with his crippled body I dont see him being able to take any of the movie Sith without aid from his guards.