Re: Re: Re: Midgard Serpent vs Wonder Woman
Hey LoM!
Originally posted by TheLordofMurder
Agreed....Her magic lasso doesnt allow her to beat anyone and she's lost to less than the Serpent...
if she has all her gear she takes it i think. not an easy match up to call. the serpent is a tough opponent to use in forum matches i think. not many appearances. she deals well with monster-types in general though where she doesn't have to hold back at all. didn't brittle thor beat it in that all-splash-page book?
Originally posted by leonidas
if she has all her gear she takes it i think. not an easy match up to call. the serpent is a tough opponent to use in forum matches i think. not many appearances. she deals well with monster-types in general though where she doesn't have to hold back at all. didn't brittle thor beat it in that all-splash-page book?
That leaves her tiara. Same problem as the sword. Will it cut him? Probably. Will it mean anything to a creature that size? I would think not. It would be less than a paper cut.
For example, the Serpent swallowed Thor and Thor was at death's door because of the Serpent's poisonous fumes. BRB jumped in to save him. He created a pocket of fresh air to get Thor back on his feet and it took the two of them using Mjolnir AND Stormbreaker to cut a SMALL hole just big enough for them to fit through to get out. The hole resealed itself I think.
So it comes down to her physical stats and lasso (which I think gives her the win since it can stretch to any size she needs it to be).
Originally posted by zopzop
So if it's completely indestructible and can extend to any length, how does she ever lose a fight? Lasso the opponents neck, then pull. Dead.This seems like spite vs the Midgard Serpent then.
PIS/CIS. What else?
Just like Flash never uses his femto second reaction speed, or Thor never uses any of his Hammer's exotic powers.
Originally posted by zopzop
But what gear aside from the lasso would save her? Her sword? They would be nothing more than pin prick attacks against the Serpent. It's so large it coils the planet, a normal sized sword, no matter how magical isn't going to do much to it.That leaves her tiara. Same problem as the sword. Will it cut him? Probably. Will it mean anything to a creature that size? I would think not. It would be less than a paper cut.
For example, the Serpent swallowed Thor and Thor was at death's door because of the Serpent's poisonous fumes. BRB jumped in to save him. He created a pocket of fresh air to get Thor back on his feet and it took the two of them using Mjolnir AND Stormbreaker to cut a SMALL hole just big enough for them to fit through to get out. The hole resealed itself I think.
So it comes down to her physical stats and lasso (which I think gives her the win since it can stretch to any size she needs it to be).
she could actually drive the sword into its brain, get inside and carve it up from the inside. it's long, but its head is not THAT huge. she's also immune to poison, though i'll admit to not knowing if it would extend to the serpent's poison. the lasso is an obvious factor.
i agree though, it's her fight to lose. i just think her weapons are better suited to fighting the serpent than thor's blunt weapon.
Re: Re: Re: Re: Midgard Serpent vs Wonder Woman
Originally posted by zopzop
Hey LoM!
But do her losses involve her 'forgetting' about her indestructible haxx weapon and just meleeing like a moron? [/B]
What up zop! 🙂
Now to answer your question, and I was trying to locate the relevant scan before posting (I am unable to find it), the answer is no...
Bizzaro was able to snap that lasso, so no, her just brawling isnt the only reason she loses...
Keep in mind that the Serpent was able to stalemate a Thor that was going all out that was equipped with his Asgardian Battle Armor and his Belt of Strength...
That version of Thor would eat Diana alive; the Midgard Serpent does the same to her...
Wonder Woman wins easily. She only needs to wrap the snake in lasso by using superspeed, and it's game over. The lasso can withstand the weight of the entire Earth and can contain people whose strength far surpasses the weight of a single planet (Superman, Supergirl, etc.). Besides, the enchantments on the lasso also force its victim into submission so that the serpent would cease its struggling in mere moments.
WW 10/10.
Originally posted by zopzop
So if it's completely indestructible and can extend to any length, how does she ever lose a fight? Lasso the opponents neck, then pull. Dead.This seems like spite vs the Midgard Serpent then.
How does she ever lose a fight?
1. Because comic book writers are different from forum debaters - their main focus is to write plots that sells comics to make money for their company. This is why you'll see a character like the Flash having issues with Captain Boomerang. Or Thor versus most of his earthbound foes. Or Firestorm on Earth. Etc etc
2. Even with the lasso, there are still quite a number of characters that can defeat her. Some of them easily.
The Midgard Serpent is beyond WW.
Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Midgard Serpent vs Wonder Woman
Originally posted by TheLordofMurder
What up zop! 🙂Now to answer your question, and I was trying to locate the relevant scan before posting (I am unable to find it), the answer is no...
Bizzaro was able to snap that lasso, so no, her just brawling isnt the only reason she loses...
Keep in mind that the Serpent was able to stalemate a Thor that was going all out that was equipped with his Asgardian Battle Armor and his Belt of Strength...
That version of Thor would eat Diana alive; the Midgard Serpent does the same to her...
Alt universe, wasn't it?
Originally posted by JBL
The serpent would laugh at that lasso and murder stomp WW.
Her lasso can stretch to any size and is completely indestructible. Now add to the fact that she's 100s of times faster than him in combat and flight speed.
Originally posted by zopzop
So if it's completely indestructible and can extend to any length, how does she ever lose a fight? Lasso the opponents neck, then pull. Dead.This seems like spite vs the Midgard Serpent then.
'Cuz she's not a bloodluster psychopath? When it comes to fighting heroes or even most villains, she rarely kills unless she feels it's necessary. She doesn't seem to have the same problem with mystical creatures(like when her and Superman were in Asgard for a thousand years, she had no issue killing demons). Whether she'll be able to win or not, I dunno, but she's unlikely to have the same "don't kill" morals against the Midgard Serpent.
Originally posted by zopzop
How? The lasso has only been destroyed once and that was supposedly in an alt reality. In mainstream DC it's never been broken (to my knowledge). Compare this to Mjolnir (the weapon that killed the Serpent), it's been destroyed multiple times in canon stories.
I've seen the Bizarro incident's canon status argued. I really don't know either way, but regardless it would be one time I'm aware of via physical force. It has been broken another time I'm aware of, but not by force. Something to do with some rule I think was thrown together for that JLA storyline. IIRC it was the incident that was causing "truth is perspective" to become literal, and things like Earth being the center of the universe happened because people believed it at one point.
Originally posted by Delta1938
'Cuz she's not a bloodluster psychopath? When it comes to fighting heroes or even most villains, she rarely kills unless she feels it's necessary. She doesn't seem to have the same problem with mystical creatures(like when her and Superman were in Asgard for a thousand years, she had no issue killing demons). Whether she'll be able to win or not, I dunno, but she's unlikely to have the same "don't kill" morals against the Midgard Serpent.I've seen the Bizarro incident's canon status argued. I really don't know either way, but regardless it would be one time I'm aware of via physical force. It has been broken another time I'm aware of, but not by force. Something to do with some rule I think was thrown together for that JLA storyline. IIRC it was the incident that was causing "truth is perspective" to become literal, and things like Earth being the center of the universe happened because people believed it at one point.
If Diana succeeds in subduing the Midgard Serpent with the lasso she wouldn't kill it. If she kills it after the Serpent became compliant, I believe that she would no longer be worthy of wielding the lasso and it would disappear. At least this is what similarly happened to the Justice Lords version of Diana.
Didnt it take an armored up, belt of strength wearing, Thor to beat the Serpent, and even that left him a pile of goo.
Wonder Woman to me isnt that level of power.
As for the lasso-win, WW has had the lasso pulled out of her hands by stronger opponents plenty of times, and I think a Serpent the size of the Earth would fit that category pretty easily.
Originally posted by DTM
Didnt it take an armored up, belt of strength wearing, Thor to beat the Serpent, and even that left him a pile of goo.Wonder Woman to me isnt that level of power.
As for the lasso-win, WW has had the lasso pulled out of her hands by stronger opponents plenty of times, and I think a Serpent the size of the Earth would fit that category pretty easily.
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Diana cant win this fight without some sort of amp...
Originally posted by zopzop
So if it's completely indestructible and can extend to any length, how does she ever lose a fight? Lasso the opponents neck, then pull. Dead.This seems like spite vs the Midgard Serpent then.
Originally posted by Magnon
Wonder Woman wins easily. She only needs to wrap the snake in lasso by using superspeed, and it's game over. The lasso can withstand the weight of the entire Earth and can contain people whose strength far surpasses the weight of a single planet (Superman, Supergirl, etc.). Besides, the enchantments on the lasso also force its victim into submission so that the serpent would cease its struggling in mere moments.WW 10/10.
Do you have scans of the lasso making people submit? Cause this sounds interesting given current arguments with people saying she physically restrained God of Strength with it.