He'll die to a padawan. Focus on Mace, or Dooku, or any more obscure Jedi Master for Force's sake. You have this vast plethora of unexplained, unexplored potential(the seige at Malachor, that fvcking Jedi in Obi-Wan and Anakin, those Dathomiri Spirits) you could do anything with and make an interesting story.
At this point, Disney's just milking PT and OT fan favourites.
Originally posted by MythLord
He'll die to a padawan. Focus on Mace, or Dooku, or any more obscure Jedi Master for Force's sake. You have this vast plethora of unexplained, unexplored potential(the seige at Malachor, that fvcking Jedi in Obi-Wan and Anakin, those Dathomiri Spirits) you could do anything with and make an interesting story.At this point, Disney's just milking PT and OT fan favourites.
Tbqh, I'm surprised we never really got anything regarding Dooku when he was a Jedi.
Originally posted by MythLord
He'll die to a padawan. Focus on Mace, or Dooku, or any more obscure Jedi Master for Force's sake. You have this vast plethora of unexplained, unexplored potential(the seige at Malachor, that fvcking Jedi in Obi-Wan and Anakin, those Dathomiri Spirits) you could do anything with and make an interesting story.At this point, Disney's just milking PT and OT fan favourites.
Originally posted by MythLord
He'll die to a padawan. Focus on Mace, or Dooku, or any more obscure Jedi Master for Force's sake. You have this vast plethora of unexplained, unexplored potential(the seige at Malachor, that fvcking Jedi in Obi-Wan and Anakin, those Dathomiri Spirits) you could do anything with and make an interesting story.At this point, Disney's just milking PT and OT fan favourites.
Who was that in Obi-Wan and Anakin?
Originally posted by |King Joker|
Maul never should've been ressurrected.
Each of Sidious's apprentices is expertly manipulated in a very different way by Sidious, and the ends of each of their apprenticeships relate in some way to how Sidious manipulated them through how each of them defined their own self-worth.
Anakin largely defines his self worth through his ability to protect and keep the people he cares about, this is something established through his dream to become a Jedi and free all the slaves, and his aspiration to "be THE MOST POWERFUL JEDI EVER!" after losing his mom. Palpatine manipulates the resulting fear of loss to completely corrupt Anakin to the Dark Side into Vader with the promise of giving him the power to save his wife, and Vader's apprenticeship ironically but fittingly ends with him turning back to the light side and killing Sidious to protect his son.
Dooku from the very beginning of his Jedi training as expressed in the Jedi Path defined his self-worth through an elitist sense of superiority to other people, and Sidious corrupted Dooku with the notion of "if people like you and me are truly better and know better than everyone else, then why not rule the masses?" and Dooku's apprenticeship ended with a betrayal that shocked Dooku due to his own arrogant inability to consider the notion that he wasn't of any more importance to Sidious.
With Maul it's quite different, it's not about tendencies that he developed on his own that Sidious then manipulated, it was the fact that Maul was raised by Sidious to define his self-worth through his relation to Sidious. While Sidious's two other apprentices got to develop themselves as characters and then get twisted by Sidious, then dying immediately after the end of their apprenticeships, Maul presents the unique opportunity to do the exact opposite as he's spent his whole life being manipulated by Sidious, having him survive the end of his apprenticeship and see where he develops from there is a very compelling character arc to me because it allows the question to be asked, who is Maul without his worth defining service to Sidious?
That seems a more interesting route than just killing him off, and I believe the direction they took with his return was rather organic, having him descend into complete madness, which makes sense when he's lost his entire purpose for living, then once his mental state is restored redefining his worth which has always been derived from Sidious. As such, it makes sense to me that if Maul is cast aside by Sidious, he's going to internalize some Sidious-esque qualities into himself. He becomes more like Sidious in his return, becoming more verbose, taking the mantle of master, taking on an apprentice, looking more towards the big picture and seeking galactic conquest, becoming much more manipulative, and becoming more enthusiastic in his evil (the latter two qualities I think were fleshed out extremely well in the Season 2 finale of Rebels).
And throughout TCW Maul sought revenge against Kenobi who in his eyes robbed him of his source of self-worth and purpose in life. Upon the end of the clone wars, Maul lost everything from his brother to his mother to his criminal empire, mainly cause Sidious stepped in and ****ed shit up for him. Which brings him to his depressing life state in Rebels where everything that went wrong with Maul's life, he can trace back to losing his place at Sidious's side when Obi-Wan cut him in half, so Maul has all the more reason to seek vengeance in Rebels than he did upon his return in TCW, which makes Rebels a pretty fitting point in time for the two to have their final showdown (which further works because you also have the parallel of Obi-Wan losing everything at the end of the clone wars and living as a weird hermit).
So yeah, bringing him back seemed a little forced given what happened in TPM, and ideally he shouldn't have been killed off to begin with, but I still think continuing his story arc was a better option than just leaving him dead. For those that take issue with the difference in character between TPM Maul and TCW-Rebels Maul... of ****ing course there's a difference in character, the dude had to completely redefine his purpose and meaning in life after completely losing it for ten years. And I think Sam Witwer has done brilliantly with the role. That being said... yeah the Kanan shit was stupid as **** and Rebels is treating his character in a rather goofy way in Season 3, but aside from that everything that has been done with Maul's character feels justified.
Originally posted by Emperordmb🙂
I disagree, I actually liked the direction his arc took in TCW, in the Rebels Season 2 finale (Kanan shit aside), and even somewhat in Season 3 of Rebels, though I'll admit his handling in Season 3 of Rebels is sketchy as shit.Each of Sidious's apprentices is expertly manipulated in a very different way by Sidious, and the ends of each of their apprenticeships relate in some way to how Sidious manipulated them through how each of them defined their own self-worth.
Anakin largely defines his self worth through his ability to protect and keep the people he cares about, this is something established through his dream to become a Jedi and free all the slaves, and his aspiration to "be THE MOST POWERFUL JEDI EVER!" after losing his mom. Palpatine manipulates the resulting fear of loss to completely corrupt Anakin to the Dark Side into Vader with the promise of giving him the power to save his wife, and Vader's apprenticeship ironically but fittingly ends with him turning back to the light side and killing Sidious to protect his son.
Dooku from the very beginning of his Jedi training as expressed in the Jedi Path defined his self-worth through an elitist sense of superiority to other people, and Sidious corrupted Dooku with the notion of "if people like you and me are truly better and know better than everyone else, then why not rule the masses?" and Dooku's apprenticeship ended with a betrayal that shocked Dooku due to his own arrogant inability to consider the notion that he wasn't of any more importance to Sidious.
With Maul it's quite different, it's not about tendencies that he developed on his own that Sidious then manipulated, it was the fact that Maul was raised by Sidious to define his self-worth through his relation to Sidious. While Sidious's two other apprentices got to develop themselves as characters and then get twisted by Sidious, then dying immediately after the end of their apprenticeships, Maul presents the unique opportunity to do the exact opposite as he's spent his whole life being manipulated by Sidious, having him survive the end of his apprenticeship and see where he develops from there is a very compelling character arc to me because it allows the question to be asked, who is Maul without his worth defining service to Sidious?
That seems a more interesting route than just killing him off, and I believe the direction they took with his return was rather organic, having him descend into complete madness, which makes sense when he's lost his entire purpose for living, then once his mental state is restored redefining his worth which has always been derived from Sidious. As such, it makes sense to me that if Maul is cast aside by Sidious, he's going to internalize some Sidious-esque qualities into himself. He becomes more like Sidious in his return, becoming more verbose, taking the mantle of master, taking on an apprentice, looking more towards the big picture and seeking galactic conquest, becoming much more manipulative, and becoming more enthusiastic in his evil (the latter two qualities I think were fleshed out extremely well in the Season 2 finale of Rebels).
And throughout TCW Maul sought revenge against Kenobi who in his eyes robbed him of his source of self-worth and purpose in life. Upon the end of the clone wars, Maul lost everything from his brother to his mother to his criminal empire, mainly cause Sidious stepped in and ****ed shit up for him. Which brings him to his depressing life state in Rebels where everything that went wrong with Maul's life, he can trace back to losing his place at Sidious's side when Obi-Wan cut him in half, so Maul has all the more reason to seek vengeance in Rebels than he did upon his return in TCW, which makes Rebels a pretty fitting point in time for the two to have their final showdown (which further works because you also have the parallel of Obi-Wan losing everything at the end of the clone wars and living as a weird hermit).
So yeah, bringing him back seemed a little forced given what happened in TPM, and ideally he shouldn't have been killed off to begin with, but I still think continuing his story arc was a better option than just leaving him dead. For those that take issue with the difference in character between TPM Maul and TCW-Rebels Maul... of ****ing course there's a difference in character, the dude had to completely redefine his purpose and meaning in life after completely losing it for ten years. And I think Sam Witwer has done brilliantly with the role. That being said... yeah the Kanan shit was stupid as **** and Rebels is treating his character in a rather goofy way in Season 3, but aside from that everything that has been done with Maul's character feels justified.
Originally posted by MythLord
He'll die to a padawan. Focus on Mace, or Dooku, or any more obscure Jedi Master for Force's sake. You have this vast plethora of unexplained, unexplored potential(the seige at Malachor, that fvcking Jedi in Obi-Wan and Anakin, those Dathomiri Spirits) you could do anything with and make an interesting story.At this point, Disney's just milking PT and OT fan favourites.