It seems like Brainiac is behind Lena Luthor to me. A throwback to pre-52 where she merged with brainiac in OWAW /B13 era, Rebirth [and new52 in general]seems to be grabbing and redoing old stories in different ways because of the compacted/lost time, things are happening just slightly different.
Just tossing out there Brainiac always thinks Lex is a lesser intellect because Earth itself is considered a lesser-intellect planet and he's extremely arrogant. But, it's pretty frequent in both primary and alternate universes that Lex outsmarts him consistently.
They're smart in different ways though. Brainiac can put up a plan that is multifaceted and takes years and is world, universe or multiverse level stuff. But on the fly, Lex can craft his own plan, stunt Brainiac's plan and punk him. Just look at OWAW or New Krypton storylines. The latter of which, Lex outsmarted Brainiac's plans, confronted him and talked shit to him outsmarted him again one-on-one and snapped his neck, and caused the death of New Krypton all back-to-back-to-back. Though, granted, in both of stories, Lex is on the side of Superman. But still, he knows how to use people. --- another thing evident when he helped orchestrate the fall of Alexander Luthor in Infinite Crisis. "Now who's stupid?"
Re: If Lyrl Dox is a 12th Level Intellect...
Luthor is 10th lvl imo. PC-Luthor a 15th lvl.
Rank these characters in levels of intellect. How do you see it?
Reed Richards 11th lvl
Batman over 9000
Hank Pym 9th lvl
Tony Stark 9th lvl
Black Panther 8th lvl
Ray Palmer 11th lvl
And I highly doubt Lyrl Dox being 12th lvl.
Originally posted by Prof. T.C McAbeHe is smarter than Vril, who is a 10th-level intellect, so I don't doubt it at all. Moreover, Vril actually took measures to neuter Lyrl's mind when he was a child, because he feared that intelligence.
And I highly doubt Lyrl Dox being 12th lvl.
*I would be more curious where Batman 1M would rank... mmm
Re: Re: If Lyrl Dox is a 12th Level Intellect...
Originally posted by Prof. T.C McAbe
Luthor is 10th lvl imo. PC-Luthor a 15th lvl.Rank these characters in levels of intellect. How do you see it?
Reed Richards 11th lvl
Batman over 9000
Hank Pym 9th lvl
Tony Stark 9th lvl
Black Panther 8th lvl
Ray Palmer 11th lvlAnd I highly doubt Lyrl Dox being 12th lvl.
DCnU Luthor is 6th, as stated here:
"My brain, unleashed by your botched experiment, began calculating your destruction at speeds your pathetic sixth-level intelligence you can never imagine".
I'd rank Lana around 9-10.
I'm a pretty firm believer that nobody is smarter than Reed. The guy's brain has now been used multiple times to recreate everything. Note that this is not to say that Reed makes the best use of his brain, or that he's the most effective.
Batman 1M is implied to be quite uber, but then he had to go ahead and ask for Tim's help with AI programming, so... hmm
Luthor, Stark, Bruce, BP, and Pym I'd all place in the same general tier. Different strengths and weaknesses, but overall close enough.
Ray's good, but I'd have to see some feats that impress me enough before I put him up there. A few bits of narration here and there elevating his status aren't enough for me.
Originally posted by CogitoDepends what we're talking about, imo...
I'm a pretty firm believer that nobody is smarter than Reed.
Here Reed states that he is only 'fractionally' smarter than Tony where single tasks are concerned, but goes on to say that Tony is the smartest there is when multiple tasks need addressed simultaneously:
"Mister Stark, on the other hand, is this world's greatest multitasker..."
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This is likely why Tony was able to school Reed at multiple games of chess simultaneously:
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Reed later says that Tony is also the best builder there is. Period.:
"There's no one --absolutely NO ONE-- who can do the things he does. If we're talking about building, well, then we should be taking our best builder."
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In fact, Tony hypothesized that the only reason Reed is fractionally smarter than himself is because Reed's powers allow him to 'cheat' and make his brain(and intellect) physically larger as it suits him:
Originally posted by Cogito
I'm a pretty firm believer that nobody is smarter than Reed. The guy's brain has now been used multiple times to recreate everything. Note that this is not to say that Reed makes the best use of his brain, or that he's the most effective.Batman 1M is implied to be quite uber, but then he had to go ahead and ask for Tim's help with AI programming, so... hmm
Luthor, Stark, Bruce, BP, and Pym I'd all place in the same general tier. Different strengths and weaknesses, but overall close enough.
Ray's good, but I'd have to see some feats that impress me enough before I put him up there. A few bits of narration here and there elevating his status aren't enough for me.
Ray has done a lot, Pre-Flashpoint:
Ray Palmer cracked the Hourman virus when Superman 1 Million said that only a Solaris class stellar computer could do so, created a time machine, created boom tube like teleportation devices, co created a device that made the user's wish come true, figured out how to neutralize a universe destroying cosmic phenomenon that hadn't ever been discovered, has been described as having a mind like the world's largest harddrive, and created the greatest shrinking technology in comics (in terms of power, range and versatility).
Atom has also created a device to defeat Superman. The device would pluck anyone that was capable from the time stream. That being would be Atlas.
He can also shrink below the atom level and slip between the cracks of reality.
Originally posted by Galan007Reed is trying really hard to get into Tony's pants.
Depends what we're talking about, imo...Here Reed states that he is only 'fractionally' smarter than Tony where single tasks are concerned, but goes on to say that Tony is the smartest there is when multiple tasks need addressed simultaneously:
"Mister Stark, on the other hand, is this world's greatest multitasker..."
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This is likely why Tony was able to school Reed at multiple games of chess simultaneously:
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Reed later says that Tony is also the best builder there is. Period.:
"There's no one --absolutely NO ONE-- who can do the things he does. If we're talking about building, well, then we should be taking our best builder."
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In fact, Tony hypothesized that the only reason Reed is fractionally smarter than himself is because Reed's powers allow him to 'cheat' and make his brain(and intellect) physically larger as it suits him:
Originally posted by Cogito
Yup, and check back with me when Tony rebuilds the multiverse with his brain 👆Pretty sure it's hard to beat that as far as building and multitasking feats go. I think Tony's been getting wanked a little too far in narration due to his film popularity.
Alexander Luthor Jr. brought back the Multiverse in Infinite Crisis. Not only did he bring it back, but he simultaneously manipulated DC's Multiverse. Where would you rank Alex?
