Nova Prime & Black Bolt vs Superman

Originally posted by deathslash
*mentions superman not having to blitz*
*brings up superman blitzing one sentence later*

Why would either of these guys be concerned about his heat vision? It's not like it could affect the energy shield using energy manipulator or the particle/electron manipulator.

Again, you're going to have to prove that Clark can get past their shields with his breath.

Huh? I said Superman doesn't have to blitz from the get go. That doesn't mean he doesn't have to blitz.

Superman's HV can affect ANY herald. Yes a shield can block it. But that requires reflexes to do since it's coming from his eyes.
Also,
1. Nova and BB can't attack with his shield's up.
2. Superman can break them with punches
3. BB hardly ever uses force field.

The freeze breath can encase with a layer of ice. But Superman will not use freeze breath with their shields up.

And don't forget Superman's perception speed.

Originally posted by Blue Area Vet
He acts like space hoppers don't routinely encounter force akin to this heat ray vision. He h1, no one "forgot."

Originally posted by JBL
What is supermans hv going to do except get laughed at. Gladiator tried that on nova. Ain't nobody even slightly worried about freezing breath. Speedblitz?? As if these two haven't fought fast or faster opponents. Team wins. Nova pins supes while bolt wrecks him with a boo!!

Superman's HV can damage them easily if they don't have shields up.
Freeze breath would freeze them for more than 10 seconds. That's enough time to do whatever to them.

Fighting an opponent who has used speed before has nothing to do with with fighting against them when they are using speed.

Superman's perception speed remember? And His ability to ko each with a punch or two?

Originally posted by deathslash
1. It wasn't shown whether they ran or walked, and he was still on the ground when they got there. They even had enough time to have a conversation with each other regarding whether he was a traitor or not and he still was on his knees when they got there.

2. He got stabbed in the chest by panther and that stab wound was gone when they got there, so they took enough time for his healing factor to help deal with his injuries.

The evidence supports that he wasn't stunned but was knocked out for a brief time.

Namor also fell from the sky. So if he was koed (he could have just been hurt) then hitting the ground contributed to it.

Originally posted by h1a8
Huh? I said Superman doesn't have to blitz from the get go. That doesn't mean he doesn't have to blitz.

Superman's HV can affect ANY herald. Yes a shield can block it. But that requires reflexes to do since it's coming from his eyes.
Also,
1. Nova and BB can't attack with his shield's up.
2. Superman can break them with punches
3. BB hardly ever uses force field.

The freeze breath can encase with a layer of ice. But Superman will not use freeze breath with their shields up.

And don't forget Superman's perception speed.

Give us a ****ing break. You don't even believe the bullshit you say. All heralds and a sizable number of metastatic and enhanced metastatic have the reflexes to dodge or block laser fire and do it routinely im.comics. All you are doing is carving a path of nonsense for your blow up doll to win and you spend 90% of your time on the board doing it.

Originally posted by h1a8
Namor also fell from the sky. So if he was koed (he could have just been hurt) then hitting the ground contributed to it.

falling to the ground would have no effect whatsoever on Namor, stop making shit up.

Originally posted by abhilegend
They just ran to him and by the time he is fine with no scratches on him.

Can you read or what?

Up to your old tricks I see. You are completely misrepresenting the time line on purpose. Your too much of a coward to post the sequence of the actually attack which clearly showed he was helpless. The panels you left out show Black Panther and Black Bolt look down on a helpless Namor and BP actually says Namor can't "shrug off" the attack AND goes on to say how he didn't want to finish him off, rather he wanted him to know it's over, know who did this to him, etc. So to somehow claim Namor wasn't strongly affected is a straight up lie. BB could have easily finished him off but chose not to because the planet was going to be destroyed and he wanted Namor to experience death in that manner. You're lies know no boundaries.

Originally posted by h1a8
Huh? I said Superman doesn't have to blitz from the get go. That doesn't mean he doesn't have to blitz.

Superman's HV can affect ANY herald. Yes a shield can block it. But that requires reflexes to do since it's coming from his eyes.
Also,
1. Nova and BB can't attack with his shield's up.
2. Superman can break them with punches
3. BB hardly ever uses force field.

The freeze breath can encase with a layer of ice. But Superman will not use freeze breath with their shields up.

And don't forget Superman's perception speed.

Originally posted by h1a8
Namor also fell from the sky. So if he was koed (he could have just been hurt) then hitting the ground contributed to it.

Originally posted by Blue Area Vet
Give us a ****ing break. You don't even believe the bullshit you say. All heralds and a sizable number of metastatic and enhanced metastatic have the reflexes to dodge or block laser fire and do it routinely im.comics. All you are doing is carving a path of nonsense for your blow up doll to win and you spend 90% of your time on the board doing it.

Originally posted by deathslash
what's to stop Nova from absorbing the heat vision and sending it back at Superman? We also have feats of black bolt casually smacking Vulcan's energy blasts away. What's to stop boltagon from using the master blow or from turning Clark into a living lightning rod? you could be right, except for how corvus directly states that he's seen namor tank far worse than that.

His lack of reflexes is to stop him from absorbing it and also the possibility it's too powerful for him to absor . Eye beams are not the same as hand beams.
Superman's perception and movement speed is what will stop the masterblow (not that it will do much).

Originally posted by h1a8
His lack of reflexes is to stop him from absorbing it and also the possibility it's too powerful for him to absor . Eye beams are not the same as hand beams.
Superman's perception and movement speed is what will stop the masterblow (not that it will do much).

😂

Let me ask you a question. With all the time Bolt has fought Gladiator evenly, are you suggesting he didn't have the reflexes to match him?

Originally posted by deathslash
what's to stop Nova from absorbing the heat vision and sending it back at Superman? We also have feats of black bolt casually smacking Vulcan's energy blasts away. What's to stop boltagon from using the master blow or from turning Clark into a living lightning rod? you could be right, except for how corvus directly states that he's seen namor tank far worse than that.

Superman would sidestep the ms and karate chop Boltagon for using such a stooped tactic.

Originally posted by Blue Area Vet
😂

Let me ask you a question. With all the time Bolt has fought Gladiator evenly, are you suggesting he didn't have the reflexes to match him?

Characters often don't fight with their speed unless its their only power. Peer Characters usually fight with equal speed in comics. Look at the Gladiator Hulk fight.

Originally posted by h1a8
His lack of reflexes is to stop him from absorbing it and also the possibility it's too powerful for him to absor . Eye beams are not the same as hand beams.
Superman's perception and movement speed is what will stop the masterblow (not that it will do much).

Originally posted by Blue Area Vet
falling to the ground would have no effect whatsoever on Namor, stop making shit up.

"Namor also fell from the sky. So if he was koed (he could have just been hurt) then hitting the ground contributed to it." -h1

Seems to echo pretty closely bp's thoughts of-

" but even he doesn't have the ability to simply shrug off what we-and the resulting fall from this platform- did to him.

Like i said, i usually disagree with h1's logic, and i could be misinterpreting something, but i think this is 1 we have to give him.

Originally posted by celeyhyga17
Pretty sure master blow isn't his his best attack if we go by actual on panel results. That shiet is soon corny.

Superman would sidestep the ms and karate chop Boltagon for using such a stooped tactic.

I think the point is he has a lot of attacks at his disposal. Superman wouldn't side step a Master Blow AFTER a voice attack.

Originally posted by h1a8
Characters often don't fight with their speed unless its their only power. Peer Characters usually fight with equal speed in comics. Look at the Gladiator Hulk fight.

So you are arguing with yourself now? You are the one always ignoring the rule about characters fighting in character. You.

Originally posted by Raptor22
i disagree with alot of the stuff h1 says as much as anyone, but doesn't BP in the first panal of the scan u posted flat out tell us that namor cant just shrug off the fall from the platform? I mean h1's statement of-

"Namor also fell from the sky. So if he was koed (he could have just been hurt) then hitting the ground contributed to it." -h1

Seems to echo pretty closely bp's thoughts of-

" but even he doesn't have the ability to simply shrug off what we-and the resulting fall from this platform- did to him.

Like i said, i usually disagree with h1's logic, and i could be misinterpreting something, but i think this is 1 we have to give him.

Originally posted by Raptor22
i disagree with alot of the stuff h1 says as much as anyone, but doesn't BP in the first panal of the scan u posted flat out tell us that namor cant just shrug off the fall from the platform? I mean h1's statement of-

"Namor also fell from the sky. So if he was koed (he could have just been hurt) then hitting the ground contributed to it." -h1

Seems to echo pretty closely bp's thoughts of-

" but even he doesn't have the ability to simply shrug off what we-and the resulting fall from this platform- did to him.

Like i said, i usually disagree with h1's logic, and i could be misinterpreting something, but i think this is 1 we have to give him.

First of all, that is a secondary point to the effectiveness of BB voice attack. Having said that, the fall would have been a nonfactor were it not for the attack. Namor wouldn't have felt that fall at all given his incredible durability, the durapidity that allows him to shrug off class 100 blows from Thor, Ironman, Hulk and Hercules.

Getting back to the culprit that started this entire thing, ABBY WHINEHOUSE, who is apparently too chicken to show his face, is the one who claimed Namor brushed off the attack. The scans he intentionally didn't post not only shows that Namor didn't brush off the attack, the dialogue actually says he couldn't "shrug off" the attack, directly contradicting Abby. He single handedly made this post foolish.

Originally posted by deathslash
that could be the case, but that would directly fly in the face of his established history of taking worse than that and corvus Glaive outright saying that he's seen namor take worse than that sort of fall without any injury.

Correct, the fall would be nothing without the initial injury. The fall delayed his recovery.

Originally posted by deathslash
that could be the case, but that would directly fly in the face of his established history of taking worse than that and corvus Glaive outright saying that he's seen namor take worse than that sort of fall without any injury.

Namor has taken worse than that and not been ko'd, but not after taking a bb shout to the face. Glaive said that without knowledge of namor taking bb's shout. If he knew that he got hit with that first, he probably would have thought something like "yep that makes sense, i totes get why that fall wrecked him".