Originally posted by Nephthys
Obama's approval rating leaving the White House was significantly better than Trump's was going into it.
So Donald Trump's approval and disapproval rating is the same as Obama's was back in 2014, November 3rd through the 9th.
I don't understand your point.
http://www.gallup.com/poll/116479/barack-obama-presidential-job-approval.aspx
http://thehill.com/homenews/administration/319152-trump-hits-new-low-in-job-approval-rating
With how hard the US Media is really trying to shitsmear Donald Trump, I'm shocked his approval rating is 40.
They didn't try this hard against Obama.
I remember Obama's approval rating dropped the lowest out of any American president in modern history (it was 35 but I didn't look to find a source for that).
He is also #9 on the list for average approval out of 12 presidents.
So let's see if Trump can do better than Obama with popularity....but it is a useless measure, really.
I'd like to see Trump scale back the US Murder Campaigns. That's a win for me.
Originally posted by dadudemon
So Donald Trump's approval and disapproval rating is the same as Obama's was back in 2014, November 3rd through the 9th.I don't understand your point.
http://www.gallup.com/poll/116479/barack-obama-presidential-job-approval.aspx
http://thehill.com/homenews/administration/319152-trump-hits-new-low-in-job-approval-rating
With how hard the US Media is really trying to shitsmear Donald Trump, I'm shocked his approval rating is 40.
They didn't try this hard against Obama.
I remember Obama's approval rating dropped the lowest out of any American president in modern history (it was 35 but I didn't look to find a source for that).
He is also #9 on the list for average approval out of 12 presidents.
So let's see if Trump can do better than Obama with popularity....but it is a useless measure, really.
I'd like to see Trump scale back the US Murder Campaigns. That's a win for me.
Lol yeah the way the media handles Trump is just hilarious. It's why I can't help smile whenever I would hear democrats talk about being treated unfairly by the media.
These people also love clinging to their little polls, clutching those figures tight. The same figures that told them Trump would never ever win.
Originally posted by dadudemon
So Donald Trump's approval and disapproval rating is the same as Obama's was back in 2014, November 3rd through the 9th.I don't understand your point.
Lol, did you search through all of Obama's 8 years for a period when his approval was as low as Trump's is? Sad. This is Trump's first month, son! It's all downhill from here!
The point is that after the inauguration is when a presidents approval is supposed to be at its highest. Obama's was at 80. Trump's is generously at 40. Literally half what Obama's was. He's historically disliked.
Originally posted by dadudemon
http://www.gallup.com/poll/116479/barack-obama-presidential-job-approval.aspxhttp://thehill.com/homenews/administration/319152-trump-hits-new-low-in-job-approval-rating
With how hard the US Media is really trying to shitsmear Donald Trump, I'm shocked his approval rating is 40.
They didn't try this hard against Obama.
Obama didn't call the media "the opposition party" and launch a smear campaign against them. But really, don't pretend that Donny Tinyhands ain't pulling his own weight in torpedoing his credibility. The amount of mindblowingly incompetent and controversial stuff he's done in the past 3 weeks alone have nicely taken off any of the maybe-we-didn't-fvck-up shine that new presidents are supposed to enjoy. You undeniably did.
Originally posted by dadudemon
I remember Obama's approval rating dropped the lowest out of any American president in modern history (it was 35 but I didn't look to find a source for that).
Bullshit.
Originally posted by dadudemon
He is also #9 on the list for average approval out of 12 presidents.
Well if the Blaze said it, it must be true.
Originally posted by dadudemon
So let's see if Trump can do better than Obama with popularity....but it is a useless measure, really.
You're the one who brought up that supposedly a lot of people love Trump. This is your point. But I guess it's a stupid point when it doesn't work out for you, huh? Makes sense.
Originally posted by BackFire
Uh, didn't Bush's approval rating drop to like the mid 20's near the end of his term? I don't think Obama's ever got that low.
About 25-26, but then it climbed up to 32-33 right as he left office.
Bush was basically idling around mid 50's, then spiked to over 90 after 9/11, then the steady decline with a few momentary upticks, the unpopularity of the war and no WMDs being found.
http://www.gallup.com/poll/116500/presidential-approval-ratings-george-bush.aspx
I think if Trump would stop tweeting like an angry emotional teenager, he'd gain a few points on that alone.
Originally posted by Robtard
About 25-26, but then it climbed up to 32-33 right as he left office.Bush was basically idling around mid 50's, then spiked to over 90 after 9/11, then the steady decline with a few momentary upticks, the unpopularity of the war and no WMDs being found.
http://www.gallup.com/poll/116500/presidential-approval-ratings-george-bush.aspx
I think if Trump would stop tweeting like an angry emotional teenager, he'd gain a few points on that alone.
Yeah, because you can always trust polls put out by the Leftist media.
馃槅
Originally posted by Nephthys
Lol, did you search through all of Obama's 8 years for a period when his approval was as low as Trump's is? Sad. This is Trump's first month, son! It's all downhill from here!
Sort of. I just scrolled back through the list for 2 years to find the first instance where Obama had parity with Trump. Obama was setting records for modern presidents on low approval and high disapproval ratings.
Originally posted by Nephthys
The point is that after the inauguration is when a presidents approval is supposed to be at its highest. Obama's was at 80. Trump's is generously at 40. Literally half what Obama's was. He's historically disliked.
That is largely because of the Media complex in America and around the world. First black president of the US and the Media literally calling him the messiah led to a-list celebrity levels of popularity and excitement. The entire world got caught up in that trend and it netted him a Nobel Peace prize, too. No one will dispute the amazing rise of our first black president.
But I think you are missing my point? Maybe not. My point was to demonstrate that Obama and Trump shared parity in approval ratings. Obama is one of the worst "approval rated" presidents in modern history. If we are going to compare Trump to Obama, let's do it properly.
Originally posted by Nephthys
Obama didn't call the media "the opposition party" and launch a smear campaign against them. But really, don't pretend that Donny Tinyhands ain't pulling his own weight in torpedoing his credibility. The amount of mindblowingly incompetent and controversial stuff he's done in the past 3 weeks alone have nicely taken off any of the maybe-we-didn't-fvck-up shine that new presidents are supposed to enjoy. You undeniably did.
They hated him before he was president. They shit all over him his entire way to the White House. Even conservative news sites, that Obama even shit-talked in 2008 and 2012 during his election and reelection bids, shit-talked Trump. Even members of the GOP shit talked Trump his entire way. Trump does not deserve our sympathy, obviously. But let's not pretend that Trump has always had an uphill battle with the media all the way to Capitol Hill.
Be honest about the situation; Trump's childish tantrums against the media took time to build up because of how anti-Trump they have been.
Originally posted by Nephthys
Bullshit.
After a quick google search, seems I saw that figure for business owners so, yeah, it existed. There are probably other areas (economy, healthcare) for which he got lowers approval ratings.
"U.S. business owners' approval of President Barack Obama fell in the second quarter of 2012 to 35%, essentially tying farmers and fishers for the lowest approval among major occupational groups. ..."
Originally posted by Nephthys
Well if the Blaze said it, it must be true.
Oh, so you pretending that the Blaze is the worst media outlet on the planet makes it suddenly not true, huh? If you cared about being honest in this discussion, you'd do a tiny bit of research instead of pretending facts, that don't fit your pro-Obama opinion, are not true. "Has to be fake news reported by a shitty news site." lol
Just a very small search on your part could have turned up a different source.
Here's a source straight from Gallop which was in the Article you were dismissing, haha:
Originally posted by Nephthys
You're the one who brought up that supposedly a lot of people love Trump.
Oh? "supposedly" Trump has a lot of supporters? "supposedly", eh? haha
How can you be taken seriously in this conversation?
Are you seriously just unaware of the rabid fanaticism over Trump in the US? Are...you...how do I word this without condescending you? Okay, do you pay attention to any news sources that shows Trump's rabid supporters in the US? Because there are literally tens of millions of them.
Originally posted by Nephthys
This is your point. But I guess it's a stupid point when it doesn't work out for you, huh? Makes sense.
If I'm not mistaken, you have the false idea that you just destroyed "my" arguments. These are not my arguments. These are facts. Whether or not you choose to acknowledge them does not make them go away. You can pretend that Trump is horrible and Obama was the bees knees to the Americans but that just isn't the case: some for and against both presidents. As much as you're drinking the anti-Trump Koolaid from the US Media, check yourself and the facts before you fall for the bullshit.
Get buttmad over his childish tantrums on Twitter. Get buttmad on his harmful foreign policy that COULD incite a terror attack on the US or her allies. But don't ignore facts because you dislike someone.
Originally posted by dadudemon
Sort of. I just scrolled back through the list for 2 years to find the first instance where Obama had parity with Trump. Obama was setting records for modern presidents on low approval and high disapproval ratings.
No he wasn't. Bush had worse than him and so will Trump. Trump is already setting records with his historically bad approval ratings.
Originally posted by dadudemon
That is largely because of the Media complex in America and around the world. First black president of the US and the Media literally calling him the messiah led to a-list celebrity levels of popularity and excitement. The entire world got caught up in that trend and it netted him a Nobel Peace prize, too. No one will dispute the amazing rise of our first black president.But I think you are missing my point? Maybe not. My point was to demonstrate that Obama and Trump shared parity in approval ratings. Obama is one of the worst "approval rated" presidents in modern history. If we are going to compare Trump to Obama, let's do it properly.
Concession accepted. Obama > Trump.
How could I be missing your point when we're discussing a point that I made? Try to keep up with the discussion man. Trump had historically terrible approval at the time when his approval is supposed to be at it's highest for his entire term. And Obama had higher approval than him at the end of his presidency when everyone should be sick of him. Obama had an extremely high rating leaving office. There's no parity between Obama and Trump in popularity, which is why Trump's so furious over that comparison.
Originally posted by dadudemon
They hated him before he was president. They shit all over him his entire way to the White House. Even conservative news sites, that Obama even shit-talked in 2008 and 2012 during his election and reelection bids, shit-talked Trump. Even members of the GOP shit talked Trump his entire way. Trump does not deserve our sympathy, obviously. But let's not pretend that Trump has always had an uphill battle with the media all the way to Capitol Hill.Be honest about the situation; Trump's childish tantrums against the media took time to build up because of how anti-Trump they have been.
Trump's main beef with the media is that they point out the truth and the true things that he's said that make him look bad. It's not like they're making up things about him, they're reporting on the terrible things he's said and done and he hates that it makes him look bad. Everyone was against him because Trump is genuinely an awful person and has said awful things. And because he constantly lies in transparent ways about how big his crowd sizes were etc and gets called on it.
The one not being honest here is you, Trump went after the media, not the other way around. The media gave him billions of dollars in free advertisement during his campaign by playing his speeches unedited. The media only really turned against him because he went after them first for reporting facts that made him look bad.
Originally posted by dadudemon
After a quick google search, seems I saw that figure for business owners so, yeah, it existed. There are probably other areas (economy, healthcare) for which he got lowers approval ratings."U.S. business owners' approval of President Barack Obama fell in the second quarter of 2012 to 35%, essentially tying farmers and fishers for the lowest approval among major occupational groups. ..."
Lmao, so it's only in a specific demographic. That's not what you claimed. If you have to become as dishonest as Trump to defend him then it's already a failure of an argument. Check first next time.
Originally posted by dadudemon
Oh, so you pretending that the Blaze is the worst media outlet on the planet makes it suddenly not true, huh? If you cared about being honest in this discussion, you'd do a tiny bit of research instead of pretending facts, that don't fit your pro-Obama opinion, are not true. "Has to be fake news reported by a shitty news site." lolJust a very small search on your part could have turned up a different source.
Here's a source straight from Gallop which was in the Article you were dismissing, haha:
You're terrible at this, and your dishonesty is becoming almost trumpian in it's transparency. I never said they were the worst, you liar. Nor did I say it wasn't true.
Regardless, it doesn't really have anything to do with what you or I claimed so it doesn't really matter much. Obama was still far more beloved that Trump has been.
Maybe you should check out what Trump's average approval is, lol. His current approval is far below Obama's average.
Originally posted by dadudemon
Oh? "supposedly" Trump has a lot of supporters? "supposedly", eh? hahaHow can you be taken seriously in this conversation?
Are you seriously just unaware of the rabid fanaticism over Trump in the US? Are...you...how do I word this without condescending you? Okay, do you pay attention to any news sources that shows Trump's rabid supporters in the US? Because there are literally tens of millions of them.
Be as condescending as you want, because I don't give a **** what you think.
Your claim was that Trump had a "huge percentage" of supporters. Not how rabid they are. You can't even remember what we're actually talking about, which is his supporter percentage. What's a huge percentage to you? Because any reasonable metric shows that to be untrue and that Trump has historically low approval for a new president. The fact that Obama had a far higher rating leaving office than Trump did entering it is undeniable and must burn you for you to get so butthurt over it.
Originally posted by dadudemon
If I'm not mistaken, you have the false idea that you just destroyed "my" arguments. These are not my arguments. These are facts. Whether or not you choose to acknowledge them does not make them go away. You can pretend that Trump is horrible and Obama was the bees knees to the Americans but that just isn't the case: some for and against both presidents. As much as you're drinking the anti-Trump Koolaid from the US Media, check yourself and the facts before you fall for the bullshit.Get buttmad over his childish tantrums on Twitter. Get buttmad on his harmful foreign policy that COULD incite a terror attack on the US or her allies. But don't ignore facts because you dislike someone.
Well, unsurprisingly, you are mistaken. The one who destroyed your arguments was yourself. You came in here claiming that Trump had approval from a huge percentage of Americans and then when you were proven wrong you sulked and said that approval is a stupid thing to care about anyway. You contradicted your own point dummy.
You can't even keep up with the topic we're discussing, let alone the facts. What does any of this have to do with what I said? You just completely changed the subject. You must be drinking the Trump cool-aid deep because you're becoming as incompetent and senile as him.
Originally posted by dadudemon
Indeed. And if he showed even a tiny modicum of professionalism or being humble, he'd appeal more to the media and to the Americans.
Come now, Trump could cure cancer and he still wouldn't appeal to the media unless he said or did something stupid while doing it.
He could cure breast cancer, but if he accidentally spelled it "brest cancer" the headline the next day wouldn't be "Trump cures cancer" it would be "Trump can't spell breast".
Originally posted by Nephthys
No he wasn't. Bush had worse than him and so will Trump. Trump is already setting records with his historically bad approval ratings.
Yeah he was and he still holds it. Bush, despite his slow spiral down to oblivion towards the end (with a small upwards dip), still had a higher average approval rating. 馃槃
Originally posted by Nephthys
Concession accepted. Obama > Trump.
Oh, we were debating that? I wasn't debating that. I was pointing out that Obama is not the messiah and you've got rose colored glasses on because of your factually incorrectly informed crush on Obama.
No, I think they are the same with some aspects of Trump being worse and vice versa.
I think Obama was shit and Trump is shit.
The last good president we had was Clinton and he shitted up his decent record with his sex scandals.
Originally posted by Nephthys
How could I be missing your point when we're discussing a point that I made?
I don't know but you've somehow figured out a way to miss my point.
Originally posted by Nephthys
Try to keep up with the discussion man.
That's my line: you don't seem to be able to keep up with it.
Originally posted by Nephthys
Trump had historically terrible approval at the time when his approval is supposed to be at it's highest for his entire term.
So?
That's not what I'm talking about and it is irrelevant to my point. Try to keep up with the discussion, man.
Originally posted by Nephthys
And Obama had higher approval than him at the end of his presidency when everyone should be sick of him.
So? That's irrelevant. We can talk about that when Trump is at the end of his presidency to see how far Trump can drive down his approval (or repair).
Originally posted by Nephthys
Obama had an extremely high rating leaving office.
Be careful with those adjectives. You're factually incorrect. He did not have extremely high approval ratings. Bush had Extremely high approval ratings a bit after 9/11. Obama did not have extremely high approval ratings leaving office.
Originally posted by Nephthys
There's no parity between Obama and Trump in popularity,
There is and you're wrong. I proved it with a link from gallup. Just because you don't want to admit it does not mean that Obama was at 40% approval rating just a couple of years ago. It wasn't that long ago that Obama was seen as shit. And you only have to go back to 2012 to see American liberals protesting against Obama; for his broken promises, warmongering, and lying; from American Liberals who voted for him in 2008.
You really need to take those rose colored glasses off and dust off those old memories.
Your Obama-crush is a bit embarrassing for you.
Originally posted by Nephthys
which is why Trump's so furious over that comparison.
I don't know about Trump being furious over being compared to Obama having low approval ratings that show parity to Trump's last week's approval ratings. But I will take your word for it.
If he's furious over that, I'm more likely to believe he is mad because he is being shown to be similar to or equal with a black man and Trump is a racist f***head.
Originally posted by Nephthys
Trump's main beef with the media is that ...bla bla bla... on it.
What a lame thing to point out about all the things Trump has said or done. haha
Obama lied a shit ton. Where was the stick up your butt, then? It's been nicely documented.
And, no, the media is being unfair to Trump. They are not being honest. Similar to how Fox News treated Obama. I really have no idea why people are dishonest about this. Why do you deny this? You even indirectly admit that Trump has incensed the Media against him with his antics. But deny it, here. Why? Is the dishonesty just causing too much cognative dissonance for you? It's easier to just rage-hate Trump than to admit that the anti-Trump juice you drink is not always fair? Don't let a clear head get in the way of your anti-Trump wanks. No, no...that would be asking you to actually think instead of having emotional outbursts.
Originally posted by Nephthys
The one not being honest here is you,
That's a deflection from you being caught in a clearly dishonest point. 馃槵
Originally posted by Nephthys
Trump went after the media, not the other way around.
No, what I said. The anti-Trump war started with the media. Trump punched back because of his giant ego.
End of discussion. There's no reason to continue this point. The media systematically went after Trump and Trump got worse and worse with his anti-media sentiments because of his ego (contrast that to Obama who rolled with the punches, for the most part).
Originally posted by Nephthys
The media gave him billions of dollars in free advertisement during his campaign by playing his speeches unedited. The media only really turned against him because he went after them first for reporting facts that made him look bad.
You forgot about Sarah Palin, didn't you? That supposedly "billions" of dollars in free advertising is not free advertising if they are painting you out to be very bad/stupid/idiot/racist/etc. The media storm against Palin tanked her and McCain.
Contrary to some's beliefs, there is a such thing as bad publicity. The saying, "There's no such thing as bad publicity" is not correct.
http://www.ereleases.com/pr-fuel/biggest-pr-myth-of-all/
Originally posted by Nephthys
Lmao, so it's only in a specific demographic. That's not what you claimed. If you have to become as dishonest as Trump to defend him then it's already a failure of an argument. Check first next time.
This is you conceding in the most egotistical way possible. But I still accept it. Still had a 35% approval rating. I win. You fail. You could have google searched in found it in less than 10 seconds but your boner for Obama got in the way of clear headed thinking.
Originally posted by Nephthys
You're terrible at this, and your dishonesty is becoming almost trumpian in it's transparency. I never said they were the worst, you liar. Nor did I say it wasn't true.
You don't have to say they are the worst when you mocked me for using "The Blaze" as your point is quite obvious. Don't backpeddle because I point out your immature tantrum of being wrong, by moving the argument about exacting word games: true sign that you have nothing to really discuss when you want to play word games. You mocked me for using the Blaze in an attempt to downgrade the credibility of my argument. Shitty source, then it can be a shitty argument, right?
Wrong. You could have read the article and seen the link to Gallup. But that would require you to read...and pay attention to facts. We both know that when it comes to Trump, that's a problem for you.
Originally posted by Nephthys
Regardless, it doesn't really have anything to do with what you or I claimed so it doesn't really matter much.
This is you making another egotistical concession in the most shithead way possible but I'll take what I can get.
Originally posted by Nephthys
Obama was still far more beloved that Trump has been.
Your erection is showing, again.
Originally posted by Nephthys
Maybe you should check out what Trump's average approval is, lol. His current approval is far below Obama's average.
hahaha, cause we have soooo much time for Trump being in office to compare an 8 year average, right? weeeee!
Originally posted by Nephthys
Be as condescending as you want, because I don't give a **** what you think.
You do because you're responding to me and making shitty concessions.
Originally posted by Nephthys
Your claim was that Trump had a "huge percentage" of supporters.
No, he HAS a huge percentage of supporters. Not past tense, current tense. Is there research that shows Trumps "strongly support" demographic, yet? He has quite a few rabid supporters. Rabidness that I haven't seen in a while...and it is actually slightly disturbing.
Originally posted by Nephthys
You can't even remember what we're actually talking about,
Just because you cannot follow the conversation and are forgetting left and right, does not mean I am, too. Don't try to drag me down to your level of attention deficiencies. We've been through this path, before, in other arguments and you have a clear history of not doing too well in these lengthy "debates." I suspect it is because you smoke a lot of weed (no judgments) and you lose your attention to the topic and try to pick it up. Not a good idea. Finish out your reply and THEN smoke a bowl. You'll do better. Then you won't be constantly thinking I'm not "following along" when it is obvious you aren't. It really does look embarrassing for you when you do this.
Originally posted by Nephthys
...which is his supporter percentage. What's a huge percentage to you?..bla bla bla.. over it.
You're moving the goalposts, again. You can pretend that is our topic of discussion all you want. But all you need to do is go back to my original reply to you to see that I pointed out the obvious: Obama's approval rating was just as shitty about 2 years ago. That's my point. Don't try to change the topic because you don't like the facts. I'm not going to play your game and I'm not stupid enough to fall for your "shitty internet debate tactics." You should know that. My reputation of not falling for shitty internet debate tactics should be well-enough known, by now, on KMC. 馃槓
Here are my three points distilled for you:
1. Trump has a very large percentage of supporters. Millions of them are rabid fanatics, too.
2. Obama had approval ratings in his presidency that have parity with Trump's supposed "abysmal" ratings. Obamais among the bottom for average approval ratings over his 8 years in the list of modern presidents.
3. You have a clear bias for Obama and against Trump. Don't let you bias get in the way of facts and stop pretending Obama was the messiah.
Originally posted by Nephthys
Well, unsurprisingly, you are mistaken. The one who destroyed your arguments was yourself. You came in here claiming that Trump had approval from a huge percentage of Americans and then when you were proven wrong you sulked and said that approval is a stupid thing to care about anyway. You contradicted your own point dummy.
Bla bla bla, insults and hot air. What I said, not what you said.
Originally posted by Nephthys
You can't even keep up with the topic we're discussing, let alone the facts. What does any of this have to do with what I said? You just completely changed the subject. You must be drinking the Trump cool-aid deep because you're becoming as incompetent and senile as him.
Says the person trying desparately to change the topic because the facts don't sit well with you.
Okay, play your childish games elsewhere. Debate my 3 points that you missed or tried to avoid or not. Check your ego: it's ugly and makes you look stupid. You do make salient points, at times. It is only when you get emotional, like this, that you start to look silly or dumb.
Originally posted by Surtur
Come now, Trump could cure cancer and he still wouldn't appeal to the media unless he said or did something stupid while doing it.He could cure breast cancer, but if he accidentally spelled it "brest cancer" the headline the next day wouldn't be "Trump cures cancer" it would be "Trump can't spell breast".
I do not like it that the only person who can admit this is the guy who constantly calls people out for their anti-Trump bullshit.
Can't I get a clear anti-Trump person to admit what Surtur just did?
Robtard? Do you think the media has a clear anti-Trump bias?
Originally posted by dadudemon
I do not like it that the only person who can admit this is the guy who constantly calls people out for their anti-Trump bullshit.Can't I get a clear anti-Trump person to admit what Surtur just did?
Robtard? Do you think the media has a clear anti-Trump bias?
I'm very much doubting you'll get a straight answer from anyone like Rob. If they say yes they have a bias it will come with a "yes, but.." and then just insert some sort of excuse.
To be fair, because I just said you won't get a straight answer you might indeed get one, if for no other reason than to prove me wrong lol.
Originally posted by Surtur
I'm very much doubting you'll get a straight answer from anyone like Rob.
I'm sure he will give a clear answer, actually.
Originally posted by Surtur
If they say yes they have a bias it will come with a "yes, but.." and then just insert some sort of excuse.
I'm okay with that and I actually prefer the "but then" statements.
Originally posted by Surtur
To be fair, because I just said you won't get a straight answer you might indeed get one, if for no other reason than to prove me wrong lol.
Yes, this happens a lot on the internet but I don't care too much.