Baleman vs Winter Soldier

Originally posted by h1a8
No because I believe no one here accepts my reasoning for skill.
Beating 12 thugs simultaneously in 21 seconds while being human is far better than doing the same while significantly enhanced. Batman was super fast as the initial cut scenes show. From him fighting many simultaneously to him dodging very fast sword swipes.

Even if we were to consider your logic that Batman was more skilled (and I'm not saying I am), that won't change the fact that WS is still stronger and faster than Batman and will demolish Batman in h2h.

Originally posted by FrothByte
Even if we were to consider your logic that Batman was more skilled (and I'm not saying I am), that won't change the fact that WS is still stronger and faster than Batman and will demolish Batman in h2h.

Originally posted by h1a8
I disagree. Batman is more than skilled enough to hang with WS and possibly beat him. Other humans were easily able to tank his hits without being koed, dodge his blows, get hits on him, etc. He's strong but so is Bane. WS is not significantly faster.

Given WS' feats, that just means those highly skilled agents are just that good. what makes you think Baleman can beat a super soldier?

lol @ this clown again trying to act like a few very highly-trained and skilled people (some of the best un-enhanced people in the MCU) holding out against Bucky for a handful of seconds before getting demolished is "easily" holding up against him.

All he's doing is proving that the Agents in question would beat Baleman; after all, they all have much better combat feats than he does.

Originally posted by Silent Master
Given WS' feats, that just means those highly skilled agents are just that good. what makes you think Baleman can beat a super soldier?

They didn't do anything "easily" in anyways. Sam got floored in about 5 seconds. Stark barely lasted much longer, despite having his repulsor gauntlet as a weapon, and Widow and Agent 13 managed to score a small handful of completely ineffectual hits while double teaming him, before both getting taken out. The only person who was genuinely holding up against him was T'Challa, who is also enhanced, and he was not having an easy time of it either. He was visibly exerting himself while fighting Bucky. And it's also notable that H1 continues to focus on that, but completely ignores how quickly and efficiently Bucky disposed of Steve during that same rampage.

Originally posted by h1a8
I disagree. Batman is more than skilled enough to hang with WS and possibly beat him. Other humans were easily able to tank his hits without being koed, dodge his blows, get hits on him, etc. He's strong but so is Bane. WS is not significantly faster.

Name these other humans who were able to tank his hits.

I also love how some random fodder thugs are being compared to the likes of Black Widow etc. A more fair comparison would be to look at how people like Ra's took Baleman's hits.

Originally posted by TheVaultDweller
I also love how some random fodder thugs are being compared to the likes of Black Widow etc. A more fair comparison would be to look at how people like Ra's took Baleman's hits.

See now..you said fair. And h1 doesn't do fair, especially when it doesn't favor his choice.

Originally posted by FrothByte
Name these other humans who were able to tank his hits.

I'm rather curious to know who all these people are as well. And remember, by H1's own claim, when discussing the Loki-Hulk slam (from page 2 of the Loki vs Spiderman thread a while back):

Originally posted by h1a8
koed doesn't mean unconscious, it means the 10 count. As in boxing, win by ko.

If you think about it, all h1 is really doing is proving that Marvel street level >>>> DC street level.

Eh, that's a bit of a broader topic, and depends on which DC-verse is being used. The high-end street levelers in the CW DC-verse are pretty formidable.

Originally posted by TheVaultDweller
Eh, that's a bit of a broader topic, and depends on which DC-verse is being used. The high-end street levelers in the CW DC-verse are pretty formidable.

This is the movie forum.

Point still stands, considering the DCAU also exists. And, while animated, is still a film universe. But, with regards to this particular version of the DC-verse, I agree that the MCU is superior.

h1 wasn't talking about the animated movies.

I am well aware of that. I am merely saying that the whole concept of "Marvel vs DC" goes beyond simply this thread. A more accurate statement here would be MCU Street levelers outclass Nolanverse Street levelers. Though I am sure H1 will disagree with that as well.

This thread is about a Nolanverse character and MCU character, the universes being talked about should be fairly obvious.

We all know that, Silent. But h1 doesn't.

Winter Soldier stomps both rounds

Originally posted by Silent Master
This thread is about a Nolanverse character and MCU character, the universes being talked about should be fairly obvious.

Normally I would agree with you, but remember the "KK" debacle in the Miyagi/IP Man thread?