Originally posted by Ursumeles"dominates" and "slightly". Interesting choice of adjectives.
> Dominates a slightly exhausted Luke, who slaughtered thousands of Vong before
> Is only B-Team niveau
What?!
Their entire battle consisted of shimraa blocking a few of lukes strikes, then his amphistaff grabbing him, biting him, then getting his head chopped off, and thats dominating.
Yet having fought thru the entire citadel of vong, a dozen slayers, getting thrown around by the bunker, and struggling with the gravity of the dovin basal which was strong enough to drop luke to his knees. Added to the fact that the author flat out tell us that he's exhausted, and even jacen notes how deeply luke is drawing on the force, and thats "slightly" exhausted.
Anywho, we've already basically been thru this before, i doubt either of our minds are going to be changed.
http://www.killermovies.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=612087&highlight=userid%3A118272
So, at first, let's talk a bit about Shimrra's hype.
A random YV was as skilled as Kyp was. Kyp statlemated a hindered Jaina only a bit after that, and seemingly bested a Phalanx of Vong, along with Ganner and another Jedi.
This random Vong (and by extension, Kyp at this time) was inferior to Shedao Shai. Despite that, Shai also statlemated Corran Horn, who himself contended with Kam Soulsar a decade prior - the Battlemaster who also bested a Dark Side adept(these guys are above dudes that dominate entire tribes as start of their training) of Palpatine before his Jedi Training.
Shai is inferior to Tsavong Lah. And Shimrra is regarded as "god-like" by the other YV, so it is kinda obvious that Lah really doesn't compares to him at all.
Luke also compares him to Palpatine, but that isn't really consclusive.
So, and now to his fight against Luke.
The exhausted Luke:
Well, "slightly exhausted" was a understatement, but regardless, Shimrra's feat still puts him far above the likes of Savage and Fisto. (BTW, could you provide the exact quotes which say how exhausted Luke was?)
I mean, let's look what Luke did just moments prior in his fight against the Slayers. He one-shotted one of them with Electric Judgement, which is damn impressive considering that they have Lightsaber-resistant skin. Despite that, he also had enough power to amp his strenght to the degree where he can pierce through the armor of the Slayers. And with a bit help from Jaina he stomped some Slayers in short order:
For a moment, several slayers found themselves trapped between the two Jedi and the lashing movements of their comrades' amphistaffs. Pierced simultaneously from either side, one warrior dropped to the floor; then a second. Luke vaulted through a half-twisting front flip that landed him back to back with Jaina, killing a third warrior on the way down, with a strike to the top of the head.
Could you provide quotes for the Dovin Basal affecting Luke? I've only found one, and I am not to sure what to make of it.
About dominating - yes, he dominated Luke and nearly killed him with his Amphistaff - infact, if Jacen wouldn't have attacked Shimrra, and if the Vong wouldn't have talked about Anakin's lightsaber so long, Luke possibly would be dead.
If you now counter with "that wasn't his own skill, that was his amphistaff" - well, the Amphistaff is a part of the fighting Style of the Vong. That could happen in every fight, Luke had extensive knowledge on Amphistaffs, knows over a dozen fighting techniques as of FotJ(and he should've already learned some of them as of NJO), is possibly the most adaptable fighter in SW and still couldn't counter it.
Even before that, Shimrra "refused to be kept at bay".
So yeah, I think it's fair to assume that someone who nearly killed Luke(even if Skywalker was exhausted), and is vastly superior to Lah sh!ts on Savage, lol.
That being said, how exhausted Sidious would have to be so that any of the B-Team or Savage single-handely could've kill him, instead of getting blitzed? Or, mind you, kill Luke - an even superior Combatant?