Originally posted by Prof. T.C McAbe
I saw Hulk having the opportunity and unleashe his full power on Sun God who was surprised, catched himself, catched Hulks fists, who looked surprised and was koed by a superior opponent, no shame in that.As for the fight, as Galan said, FemThor wins.
Tell me your secret on how you get away with things like this?
Originally posted by Stoic
That's really not what I got from it. When the Hulk lost so suddenly after gaining the upper hand seemed to play up Banner's exact words. The Hulk went in with a full head of steam. He begins beating the snuff out Sun God, all the while becoming more and more riled up, as can be seen by the extreme expression on his face. Then zap, he gets throttled back because he's become too dangerous, and begins to lose power. This is when Sun God's strength level dramatically eclipses the Hulk's resulting in a very quick knock out.Now like I've stated in the past, two people can see the exact same thing, and come up with two different conclusions. For me the loss attributed directly to the story plot. I've even seen a dying Hulk beat Gladiator. To be honest, there wasn't a thing about Sun God that screamed to me saying that he was any more powerful than Gladiator, who was nearly beaten to death by an extremely riled up Hulk.
What Prof said.
Because to do so otherwise, is to say that Banner, one of the smartest guys on Earth, knowing full well the stakes that are at play, throttled himself back when he's winning. Because he's too dangerous to an opponent who he's about to destroy the planet and kill, apparently.
As for the thread, Thor wins. Haven't seen enough from Sun God.
Originally posted by DarkSaint85
What Prof said.Because to do so otherwise, is to say that Banner, one of the smartest guys on Earth, knowing full well the stakes that are at play, throttled himself back when he's winning. Because he's too dangerous to an opponent who he's about to destroy the planet and kill, apparently.
As for the thread, Thor wins. Haven't seen enough from Sun God.
It was actually mentioned by Hank. He asked why break it if it works? Or something along those lines. I think that there is enough evidence due to plot to warrant skepticism on the part of many readers, myself included. IMO the Hulk wasn't operating under optimal conditions, and he lost because of it. In other words, Banner didn't account for Sun God being stronger than a calm Hulk that wouldn't need to be throttled back, due to being overly riled up.
Originally posted by Stoic
It was actually mentioned by Hank. He asked why break it if it works? Or something along those lines. I think that there is enough evidence due to plot to warrant skepticism on the part of many readers, myself included. IMO the Hulk wasn't operating under optimal conditions, and he lost because of it. In other words, Banner didn't account for Sun God being stronger than a calm Hulk that wouldn't need to be throttled back, due to being overly riled up.
Isn't a "calm" hulk a hyperbole?
Originally posted by Stoic
It was actually mentioned by Hank. He asked why break it if it works? Or something along those lines. I think that there is enough evidence due to plot to warrant skepticism on the part of many readers, myself included. IMO the Hulk wasn't operating under optimal conditions, and he lost because of it. In other words, Banner didn't account for Sun God being stronger than a calm Hulk that wouldn't need to be throttled back, due to being overly riled up.
Hank then goes on to say how easy it is to lose control, to become more primal.....
But then -
Are you now saying there is a calm Hulk baseline? That you can speedblitz a Hulk before he gets angry enough to beat you?
Originally posted by Sin I AM
Isn't a "calm" hulk a hyperbole?
I'm not sure what you're referring to. We know that as the Hulk becomes more agitated his adrenaline becomes unstable which make him become exponentially stronger. In a calm state, he is simply weaker than he would be if he was pissed by the idea of the bad guy killing his loved ones or something else that would make him upset. Banner as we know has tried many times to get rid of the Hulk because of the dangers that come with the uncontrollable nature of his transformations. I would go as far as saying that Banner at many times has entertained the idea of killing the Hulk. Since that did not work, he found a way of gumming up the Hulk's exponential strength increases, which is why he opted for throttling the Hulk once he reached a certain level of aggression. This is what i got from the context of that particular story. keeping in mind that i have no problem with the Hulk losing to Sun God legitimately, however he was sabotaged by Banner before the fight ever began, and thus he was not operating under optimal conditions IMO.
Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Hank then goes on to say how easy it is to lose control, to become more primal.....But then -
Are you now saying there is a calm Hulk baseline? That you can speedblitz a Hulk before he gets angry enough to beat you?
I've always believed that if a character has enough strength or power, that they could KO the Hulk before he reached a certain level of durability due to strength increases (and all of the other innate abilities that the Hulk is granted, IE HF, speed, senses, etc). However, because no one can say how long it takes for him to reach a certain level of strength at any given time, it makes this a little murky. This is what you get when you write a character with uncontrollable dynamic strength with no known limit cap. Like I said, I have no problem with the Hulk losing if he is operating without a handicap, but the Sun God incident was not a legitimate win unless you're willing to ignore the context and look at all of the pretty pictures to form an opinion.
Originally posted by Stoic
I'm not sure what you're referring to. We know that as the Hulk becomes more agitated his adrenaline becomes unstable which make him become exponentially stronger. In a calm state, he simply weaker than he would be if he was pissed by the idea of the bad guy killing his loved ones or something else that would make him upset. Banner as we know has tried many times to get rid of the Hulk because of the dangers that come with the uncontrollable nature of his transformations. I would go as far as saying that Banner at many times has entertained the idea of killing the Hulk. Since that did not work, he found a way of gumming up the Hulk's exponential strength increases, which is why he opted for throttling the Hulk once he reached a certain level of aggression. This is what i got from the context of that particular story. keeping in mind that i have no problem with the Hulk losing to Sun God legitimately, however he was sabotaged by Banner before the fight ever began, and thus he was not operating under optimal conditions IMO.I've always believed that if a character has enough strength or power, that they could KO the Hulk before he reached a certain level of durability due to strength increases (and all of the other innate abilities that the Hulk is granted, IE HF, speed, senses, etc). However, because no one can say how long it takes for him to reach a certain a strength range at any given time, it makes this a little murky. This is what you get when you write a character with uncontrollable dynamic strength with no known limit cap. Like I said, I have no problem with the Hulk losing if he is operating without a handicap, but the Sun God incident was not a legitimate win unless you're willing to ignore the context and look at all of the pretty pictures to form an opinion.
But that's the thing.
I'm not ignoring context.
It shows the Hulk travelling to the planet, where Banner obviously managed to bring him out on command.
Then skips to the convo with Beast. Where they explain how he's able to do it. Even brings up his inspiration (where we saw how the alt. Hulk was able to appear at will). Ends the scene with Beast remarking on how easy it is to lose control.
Then they are in the fight of their lives. The fate of their entire universe hangs in the balance. They HAVE to destroy the Society's world.
And, in the context...you're saying NOW is the time to throttle back? When victory is almost assured for Hulk? Because he's....too dangerous, he might harm Sun God? Whilst they're trying to save their universe by destroying another?
The context is that
Originally posted by Sin I AM
U called him a calm hulk. But in order for him to hulk out he needs to be angry. So im saying isnt it a hyperbole or a bit disingenuous to refer to any hulk as "calm" when the catslyst for his change is always anger?
If you read up on his bio entry you will see that he does have a base level that he can maintain for some time, I understand what you're saying and how little sense it makes, but you can't possibly attempt to make sense of fictional characters, or at least attempt to make 100% sense of them. All the same, I still believe that people are leaving out context on the Sun God fight, and that the Hulk didn't go in under optimal conditions. If he lost to Sun God without the interference that Banner set up for him, I wouldn't mind giving him the nod, but as it stands I've seen a dying Hulk use Gladiator as a welcome mat, and Sun God simply doesn't have enough showings for me to give him the majority against Gladiator.
Originally posted by Stoicglads jobs it's with in his character. It's like saying rhino would beat deathstroke. He should on paper but he is a jobber and will find a way to fck up
If you read up on his bio entry you will see that he does have a base level that he can maintain for some time, I understand what you're saying and how little sense it makes, but you can't possibly attempt to make sense of fictional characters, or at least attempt to make 100% sense of them. All the same, I still believe that people are leaving out context on the Sun God fight, and that the Hulk didn't go in under optimal conditions. If he lost to Sun God without the interference that Banner set up for him, I wouldn't mind giving him the nod, but as it stands I've seen a dying Hulk use Gladiator as a welcome mat, and Sun God simply doesn't have enough showings for me to give him the majority against Gladiator.
Originally posted by Stoicglads was weaken too in that Hulk fight..the radiation was weakening him. Plus hulk said I have to get close before he kills me.. Glads almost killed him with heat vision to the heart. so don't be a lame. it was a close fight hulk didn't treat glads.
If you read up on his bio entry you will see that he does have a base level that he can maintain for some time, I understand what you're saying and how little sense it makes, but you can't possibly attempt to make sense of fictional characters, or at least attempt to make 100% sense of them. All the same, I still believe that people are leaving out context on the Sun God fight, and that the Hulk didn't go in under optimal conditions. If he lost to Sun God without the interference that Banner set up for him, I wouldn't mind giving him the nod, but as it stands I've seen a dying Hulk use Gladiator as a welcome mat, and Sun God simply doesn't have enough showings for me to give him the majority against Gladiator.