spetznaz
Senior Fanboy Killer
Originally posted by riv6672
And that's fine. Its when posters start not so subtly inferring that he's faster than Barry or Wally that i go 'nah'.
Fully agree. Superman is faster than almost anyone, but the Flash ....no. And to Superman fanboys - that shouldn't take away anything from Superman! He is still ridiculously fast, with the feats to back it. He is also the only non-speedforce/non-time manipulation used that can be considered to be a peer of a primary Flash, but being a peer doesn't mean you are exactly equal. It simply means you can be considered together. Like comparing a Bugatti Veyron to a Ferrari Italia. They may park in the same parking lot, but they're not the same.
Flash has beaten instantaneous teleportation - to which someone will say he was amped. Ok, he was. Flash has handled Zoom - to which the same people will say he was amped. Yes, he was.
However, there are other feats by a non-amped Flash that are crazy ludicrous.
For example when he was dying and the JLA was trying to catch up to him, and the only one who came close was Superman. When Superman almost caught him (and Supes was saying that he could and mentioned the races they had done in the past), Flash simply said 'those were for charity Clark' ....and blitzed away like it was nothing!
Or an even better feat.
When a nuclear weapon detonated in a North Korean city (when Martian Manhunter became the burning Martian), and the Flash evacuated a city of FIVE HUNDRED THOUSAND people, taking them in groups of one or two to a point thirty five miles away (meaning, at a minimum of he was taking them in twos, 500,000 trips since he had to go back and forth ...not to mention search for them), in an interval of 0.00001 MICROseconds (a microsecond is a millionth of a second, and he did that in 0.00001 of a millionth of a second).
Someone calculated that it meant Flash was moving at between 9 to 13 trillion times the speed of light (depending on whether he was mostly carrying people in ones or twos).
That's the reason the Flash wins the speed argument against Superman - it is not just the top end speed (I'm sure there are some travel fears for Kal that are insane), but RATHER because of his ability to use that speed.
For you see, the speed force is the perfect Deux ex machina. It means he can travel at crazy speeds without turning the atmosphere to plasma, and it means he can pick people at those speeds (and because the SF covers them too when he touches them) be able to transport them. If Superman even caught someone at multiple of Mach speed, his superhard body would immediately kill them. Flash can do it at multiples the speed of light.
It's his ability to make use of the SF that makes a primary Flash the king of speed when compared to the likes of Superman and the Silver Surfer., even though those two also have some pretty crazy high end feats.
Because of the SF, at the end of the day it is not even a competition.
