Originally posted by DarkSaint85So much more even like thought processes and prioritizing people according to proximity to the blast that's spreading, mental fatigue due to doing all this hastily without error, etc
What's 2 trillion times the speed of light between mates, eh?Problem is of course that it also relies on Azrael's reflex speeds, to search for Korean grannies etc.
Interesting that the thread is now on its eighth page, but it goes to show that the OP made a good thread.
However - his question was quite simple, and the correct answer is similarly simple. The question was who could evacuate a city in the way Wally did, maybe even faster.
The answer is no one, barring of course other primary Flashes, reverse Flashes and Zoom. Basically characters with high level access to the Speed Force (positive or negative), or instantaneous access to high level time manipulation.
Why?
Because it is not just about speed. There are some characters that are fast enough to go above multiples of C, but the moment they even touched a human being at that speed, the human would instantly disintegrate. Imagine a Clark Kent, or a Kallark, or a Majestros, trying to grab a person at such speed. It would be like you trying to grab a soggy piece of wet bread falling while riding full speed on a motorcycle. It would not work.
Not to mention, a Clark or Kallark moving at such speeds in our atmosphere would turn the air into white hot plasma. SF and/or time manip does away with thermophysics.
It is not just about high speed, but rather about the ability of the SF/timemanip to make that speed useable. Without it it is impossible to replicate that feat.
Maybe someone with high level magic or teleport, but that wouldn't be how Flash did it.
Or, as another poster said, make the humans invulnerable (and the atmosphere inert) and I guess then the likes of Kallark and Clark could do it.
Originally posted by cdtm
Post crisis Superman's durability was from an aura, which he could extend to people and objects (Like his costume, or buildings, explaining why they didn't just fall apart when he lifted them.)
Originally posted by -Pr-
To be fair, I think that was gone by the early/mid-2000s.
The aura was bioelectric in nature under Byrne. As stated by him, he simply took something in science of we all have weak electric auras around us that keeps dust and whatnot off us to a degree.
http://www.byrnerobotics.com/FAQ/listing.asp?ID=2&T1=Questions+about+Comic+Book+Projects#34
The keeping buildings from collapsing was from telekinesis, as that's how Byrne viewed the powers, but was never allowed to blatantly make it that way.
As many of you know, I don't think of Superman's powers as being literally what they appear to be. I don't see his super-strength as precisely that, for instance, because of the many times we see it operate in a way counter to such an assumption. Superman lifting objects that weight many times more than he does, for instance, and doing so without any consideration of the mechanical advantage, or lack thereof. As such, I see Superman's powers as mostly variants of psi, and his strength really a form of telekenesis. This is how he is able to lift a huge weight without being driven into the ground like a tent-peg, for instance.
I was able to drop a few hints, merely for my own satisfaction, that Superman's powers were psi in nature, but DC specifically forbade any overt reference. And, hey! Their character, their rules, so I was content to play along.
Few if any other writers took the same telekinesis approach(I know of one example that MIGHT have been, but could just have been flight), and it being telekinetic in nature was never official in the comics.
Him having an aura was referenced at least until the late 90's in a SECRET FILES comic mentioning an electromagnetic aura(whether an error or an intentional change I don't know), and although a different continuity, ALL-STAR SUPERMAN having Superman extend his aura after more solar exposure suggests writers at least still viewed it this way, if it wasn't official.
Although in all reality, it was primarily just an excuse that his costume didn't get destroyed. I can only think of one other example, where he didn't leave fingerprints because the aura kept dust and oil from getting into the ridges(or something along those lines).
Is the example the flying saucer? He was shackled with unbreakable restraints, and claimed he was extending his aura to take control of the ship, or something?
I know in the Death of Superman novel, they blatantly state his durability is from the aura.
Comics wise, it's true they never come right out and say "psi powers", but Superman does mention several times that he feels objects are much lighter when he's flying, vs when he's on the ground. If DC didn't want tinkering, they had pretty loose standards against it.
Originally posted by cdtm
Is the example the flying saucer? He was shackled with unbreakable restraints, and claimed he was extending his aura to take control of the ship, or something?I know in the Death of Superman novel, they blatantly state his durability is from the aura.
Comics wise, it's true they never come right out and say "psi powers", but Superman does mention several times that he feels objects are much lighter when he's flying, vs when he's on the ground. If DC didn't want tinkering, they had pretty loose standards against it.
He wasn't shackled, but he did take control of a ship's flight, I assume it was his.
I've never seen it in the comics as his durability came exclusively from his aura.
Under Byrne. I don't recall that from other writers after.
Originally posted by carver9No it really isnt no matter how bad you want it to be 😐
Don't know why you are thumbing up. He crossed Galaxies in the blink (no specific God mentioned) of a gods eye. That statement means that he he crossed this distance in enough time for a God to blink. I think a God can blink faster than a human but let's down play it and say he crossed this distance in a second. Fastest speed ft in comics.
Originally posted by cdtm
Post crisis Superman's durability was from an aura, which he could extend to people and objects (Like his costume, or buildings, explaining why they didn't just fall apart when he lifted them.)
Agreed, and as you mentioned that is why he didn't have to change his costume after every bank robbery (the cape maybe). Thus, extending his aura around someone would prevent dust particles from peppering the human like a million bullets when moving at certain speeds. However, the sudden change in inertia from zero to multiple C (or even an instantaneous increase from zero to an even much slower speed of 'just' Mach 1) would liquify all the person's internal organs to mush. The bio aura would protect the person from external threats (e.g. How a car's windshield protects us from bugs in our teeth and dust in our eyes), but it would not stop the person from severe internal injuries (in the same way even seat belts and airbags do not necessarily protect an accident victim from concussions as their brain hits the inner front and back of their skull, which is what a concussion basically is).
Without the DEM that the Speed Force (or high level time manipulation as Zoom does it), the human still wouldn't survive Kal's bio aura.
They'd get a concussion from hell, with all internal organs matching the mush that would be their brain.
Originally posted by Delta1938
The aura was bioelectric in nature under Byrne. As stated by him, he simply took something in science of we all have weak electric auras around us that keeps dust and whatnot off us to a degree.http://www.byrnerobotics.com/FAQ/listing.asp?ID=2&T1=Questions+about+Comic+Book+Projects#34
The keeping buildings from collapsing was from telekinesis, as that's how Byrne viewed the powers, but was never allowed to blatantly make it that way.
Few if any other writers took the same telekinesis approach(I know of one example that MIGHT have been, but could just have been flight), and it being telekinetic in nature was never official in the comics.
Him having an aura was referenced at least until the late 90's in a SECRET FILES comic mentioning an electromagnetic aura(whether an error or an intentional change I don't know), and although a different continuity, ALL-STAR SUPERMAN having Superman extend his aura after more solar exposure suggests writers at least still viewed it this way, if it wasn't official.
Although in all reality, it was primarily just an excuse that his costume didn't get destroyed. I can only think of one other example, where he didn't leave fingerprints because the aura kept dust and oil from getting into the ridges(or something along those lines).
I didn't know Byrne said that, so it's interesting.
My bad though; I wasn't talking about the whole "tactile tk" thing, as much as the durability, which I recall being mentioned by an editor as being pretty much done away with in the mid 2000s.