The Infamous Zannah V Dooku debate

Started by Fated Xtasy2 pages

Guys. I'm mostly curious about what y'all think regarding the arguments, no who won or should win.

Kurk had the right idea in his first post by judging the arguments and debating style. So if you could all focus on that, I'd really appreciate it.

You know I luv u Fated, but DMB won.

You didn't properly address the Spell argument that he was pressing, IMHO.

Originally posted by Kurk
Will power

Dooku said himself "the task is only impossible because you have deemed it so"

More referring to one's mental state and self-doubt, as oppose to willpower.

Originally posted by Kurk
He has Yoda's teachings and influence as a jedi so I'd say he's with him

Irrelevant.

Originally posted by Kurk
When poisoned by the nightsisters (which is effectively sorcery) he had the will power to push through and not fall for illusions.

That was poison, not sorcery.

Originally posted by Kurk
When possessed by talzin he was at least able to stay conscious and tell grievous what to do. Dmb says this is not comparable to what bane experienced with the "brain splitting" but that's exactly what talzin did with Dooku.

True, but Talzin attacked him from across the galaxy, so I assume that up-close and personal Zannah should perform something of similar effect. Also, Dooku could barely fight in that state.

Originally posted by Kurk
And then of course there is Dooku not uttering a sound after having his hands cut off, as he remained calm and collected even during last moments of his life. And yes I will point out how Anakin in aotc went unconscious after losing his arm and mace screaming like a ***** with his hand gone; same with esb luke. Hell, even savage screamed when Kenobi disarmed him.

That says so little given how even Sidious screams when he has his hands cut off. Generally, the shock or pain of something as severe as that doesn't cause one to scream, but to get stunned.

Originally posted by Kurk
Dooku rejoined his master in sod to fight talzin after being both drained and electrocuted by sidious.

Certainly an incredible feat of endurance, but it's not like Sidious was going for the kill.

Originally posted by Kurk
Dooku has will-power and good pain-tolerance comparable to bane.

And Bane was on his knees when Zannah used her spells.

Originally posted by MythLord
You know I luv u Fated, but DMB won.

You didn't properly address the Spell argument that he was pressing, IMHO.

Did you not just read my post you daft ****?

Lol idgaf who anyone thinks won. Just mainly curious on the arguments. Which partially stuck too so yen.

So if will-power is not influenced by your mental-state or your pain-endurance, what is it then?

How is Dooku getting pwned by Talzin's sorcery and being completely unable to resist it demonstrative of the ability to resist Zannah, lol?

Also plenty of people haven't screamed when cut by a lightsaber.

The sorcery is completely different. Zannah will have to penetrate Dooku's mental Force barrier, which is a full representetion of one's full potential, to bring out his inner "demons." He's going to be laughing off surface-based attacks otherwise.

Originally posted by DarthAnt66
Zannah will have to penetrate Dooku's mental Force barrier, which is a full representation of one's full potential, to bring out his inner "demons."

"What he learned was that the only real counter was the victim's strength of will."

Originally posted by Fated Xtasy
Did you not just read my post you daft ****?

Lol idgaf who anyone thinks won. Just mainly curious on the arguments. Which partially stuck too so yen.

I detailed why I thought DMB won, which has something to do with arguments.

Your arguments were not very convincing. Now stfu, you cretin. :3

Originally posted by MythLord
I detailed why I thought DMB won, which has something to do with arguments.

Your arguments were not very convincing. Now stfu, you cretin. :3

Just remember you got destroyed by me in Ahsoka V Ferus on CV :3

Spoiler:
now stfu and keep talking on GH

Two years ago. I'll gladly debate you on the exact same topic right now, this instant. Make the thread!

Originally posted by DarthAnt66
The sorcery is completely different. Zannah will have to penetrate Dooku's mental Force barrier, which is a full representetion of one's full potential, to bring out his inner "demons." He's going to be laughing off surface-based attacks otherwise.
but was Talzin's attack a mental attack? After all, Dooku was able to remain rational throughout it. Seemed more like a voodoo act focusing just on physical pain.

Originally posted by MythLord
Two years ago. I'll gladly debate you on the exact same topic right now, this instant. Make the thread!

Nah. I'm sick as a dog rn. Maybe later.

Get back on thooo

Originally posted by MythLord
Two years ago. I'll gladly debate you on the exact same topic right now, this instant. Make the thread!

You bailed in the Shaak vs Desann thread, why would this be any different? 🙂

Actually, y'know what, someone bump that Shaak v Desann thread. Imma respond to that!

Bump it yourself lazy c-unt.