Angel Dust vs Jessica Jones

Originally posted by NemeBro
Surviving this for one (40 seconds):

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Colossus definitely survived it, and Angel Dust probably did, given that we next see her being carried alongside NTW on his shoulder. Can't imagine he'd go through the trouble to carry around a corpse. And that clip actually doesn't show the full effects of the blast. The entire scrapyard was devastated, and the big ass ocean liner Deadpool and Frances were fighting on was tossed about.

Cage's best durability feat ever is what? Palming a grenade blast?

That's a bullshit feat. Cage could tank that. But that's durability. What about strength. What strength feats does Colossus has?

Originally posted by TheVaultDweller
So, just to be clear, what you are saying is you believe that a single punch from Angel Dust is greater than an impact with a speeding truck?

And considering that Luke and Jessica are much smaller than "speeding trucks" they are only being subjected to a much smaller amount of force or kinetic energy. The surface area the energy is distributed in is much bigger than they are, whereas a fist is much smaller.

And just so we're clear, Jessica would certainly be killed in one punch. Cage might survive, but wouldn't be up to fight.

The characters are just in completely different ballparks.

Colossus getting his head bashed off of a steel girder a few times by AD is way higher than anything Cage could survive. A shotgun blast KO'd Cage. As for strength feats, Colossus fought AD and she's far superior to any foe Cage went against.

Originally posted by NemeBro
Given that she can beat down Colossus with her fists, who tanks attacks well above that, including punches from Juggernaut who collapsed a bridge with a single punch? Sure do.

And considering that Luke and Jessica are much smaller than "speeding trucks" they are only being subjected to a much smaller amount of force or kinetic energy. The surface area the energy is distributed in is much bigger than they are, whereas a fist is much smaller.

And just so we're clear, Jessica would certainly be killed in one punch. Cage might survive, but wouldn't be up to fight.

The characters are just in completely different ballparks.

Eh, I personally think he'd be able to take a bit more than that (because there are some other feats of taking super strong hits as well that I can't be arsed to fully go into), but I do think he'd lose very badly against either, as I have said in the past as well.

Originally posted by tkitna
A shotgun blast KO'd Cage.

Outdated low-end feat. Cage got a canonical power upgrade and better feats since then.

Originally posted by NemeBro
Given that she can beat down Colossus with her fists, who tanks attacks well above that, including punches from Juggernaut who collapsed a bridge with a single punch? Sure do.

And considering that Luke and Jessica are much smaller than "speeding trucks" they are only being subjected to a much smaller amount of force or kinetic energy. The surface area the energy is distributed in is much bigger than they are, whereas a fist is much smaller.

And just so we're clear, Jessica would certainly be killed in one punch. Cage might survive, but wouldn't be up to fight.

The characters are just in completely different ballparks.

That's not how fiction works. Characters do not operate at their highest feat levels all the time. Matter of fact, we see clearly that Juggernaut hit Colossus with far under bridge breaking power.
Colossus was getting choked by a steel wire. Wtf. A metal gate was able to penetrate Juggs. That wouldn't have happened to Cage.

And your physics is wrong. Size does not matter when it comes to kinetic energy. The truck is of a fixed mass and of a fixed velocity. It hit them, center of mass.

And to say Jessica would be killed in one punch is trolling. She wouldn't be even koed.

What's AD best strength feat? Hitting Colossus some distance away?
Well Cage has casually (less than 1/3 of his strength) bent a steel gun.
Jessica has casually (less than 1/5 of her strength) broke commercial big ass padlocks like fortune cookies (takes over 20 tons of force).
Do the math.

Colossus fought Juggernaut, who by punching down through his containment unit, destroyed an entire bridge/overpass. Also, when Cain threw a type C bus at him, which weighs about 15 tons, he held his hands out and it bounced off of them. That's far more impressive than Cage stopping a speeding SUV. And if Colossus punched Cage with that spike, it'd punch clean through him.

The spike wasn't adamantium. It would have bent if hit Cage. That was clearly a low showing for Juggernaut.

Anyway Juggs is significantly beyond either Colossus or Angel Dust.
Juggs is at least 10x more powerful than Angel Dust.

Originally posted by KingD19
And if Colossus punched Cage with that spike, it'd punch clean through him.

While I do agree that Colossus is more impressive and would win a fight rather handily (there are more subtle hints throughout the films that indicates him being stronger than Cage, like using one hand for some feat that Cage uses two, like shifting big pieces of concrete). But what you said there is completely and utterly wrong. Colossus using the spike to punch doesn't make the material of the spike more durable. It'd simply bend on impact with Cage's skin, but the blunt force impact of the punch behind the spike would still hurt him. In terms of piercing durability specifically, the list of people who actually have better feats than Luke is extremely short.

Originally posted by KingD19
Colossus fought Juggernaut, who by punching down through his containment unit, destroyed an entire bridge/overpass. Also, when Cain threw a type C bus at him, which weighs about 15 tons, he held his hands out and it bounced off of them. That's far more impressive than Cage stopping a speeding SUV. And if Colossus punched Cage with that spike, it'd punch clean through him.

Well for one, Juggernaut was clearly stronger than Colossus, and Colossus seemed stronger than Angel Dust. As for the bus throw, Colossus redirected the bus away from him, that's not the same as stopping it dead in its tracks like Cage did to the SUV. The SUV also seemed to be traveling at greater velocity.

Not saying Cage's feat was better, just pointing out that size and mass aren't the only things to consider in that comparison.