Originally posted by EcstaticGrace
My initial reaction was Arthur wins to, I agree he doesn't given the teams hax. I don't see anyone beating him here physically and nothing Philo said supported a win for the team.
You're right on some things wrong on others. People intentionally lowball AM here so take it with a grain of salt. Swap him out with any other character in his class and theyd stomp.
Originally posted by Sin I AM
You're right on some things wrong on others. People intentionally lowball AM here so take it with a grain of salt. Swap him out with any other character in his class and theyd stomp.
TBH, if this team is half as good as people are saying, the team would beat a LOT of low heralds and even some mid ones.
It doesn't diminish Aquaman's stock if they're as good as people say. If people believe he's the level of someone like Wonder Woman, or even close to it, that's HUGE.
Especially in comparison to how he used to be rated.
Originally posted by maxivitopowe
Does this make sense to anyone?
EG is basically saying if everyone went fisticuffs only (which is...kinda weird for people like Electro) then AM wins.
Rhino (before his upgrade) fought Savage Hulk for DAYS:
http://imgur.com/a/nbqBx
Originally posted by -Pr-
TBH, if this team is half as good as people are saying, the team would beat a LOT of low heralds and even some mid ones.It doesn't diminish Aquaman's stock if they're as good as people say. If people believe he's the level of someone like Wonder Woman, or even close to it, that's HUGE.
Especially in comparison to how he used to be rated.
Well that's the problem. The team is being high balled. His main concern would be a slugfest rhino and possession by carnage. Hed ragdoll peter, hed ragdoll norman, and hed ragdoll oc..venom could hang but that's if its Brock not Flash. Now i know someone will say Flash took on Rulk!! But Rulk was getting worfed during that time. And he's not exactly impressive as his predecessor imo. And im still not convinced Electros powers will affect him.
Originally posted by DarkSaint85
EG is basically saying if everyone went fisticuffs only (which is...kinda weird for people like Electro) then AM wins.Rhino (before his upgrade) fought Savage Hulk for DAYS:
http://imgur.com/a/nbqBx
So he's saying if they... What? Use their LT given powers they are cheating?
Originally posted by maxivitopowe
A)Pretending might be giving EG more credit than he's worth
B)
Stop changing the argument.
One of the most powerful telepaths tried to put the mental kibosh on Electro, and not only did he basically no sell that attack, his counter attack was so fast that Nate -who we shouldn't forget was already INSIDE Max's mind- "Barely managed to erect a TK shield in time".
Not only that but he blasted them both up through the basement of this building, which Spidey notes is concrete (and likely reinforced. In the next page we see that it is directly over a busy road which has to deal with the annual wear and tear of cars and pedestrians), and up about 20 meters (65ft) into the air. At the end of that exchange Nate is stunned and Electro about to give the killing blow.
Of the 8 people listed I see 1 would be able to hang on in single combat for a minute, Lizard, 2 who would make Artie hurt for his victory, Doc Ock and Green Goblin (and GG mught have greater odds because he has better maneuverability than Artie), 2 that could get 4/10 victories, Spidey and Venom (though i think agent venom without prep 5/10 and with prep 7/10) and 2 that could get majority of wins Electro, and Carnage, and one who stalemates Rhino.
In this matchup, there is no hope of Artie winning, only who is left standing after the fact
Also do you think I was right in my assessment that Rhino would stalemate?
Originally posted by maxivitopoweIt's not meant to make sense - backtracking usually doesn't.
Does this make sense to anyone?
Even his current position - that the team can't win solely by going physical, is sketchy to say the least. They could just web him up constantly and beat on him until he falls.
Guys, stop talking about other posters. Talk about the characters.
Originally posted by Sin I AM
Well that's the problem. The team is being high balled. His main concern would be a slugfest rhino and possession by carnage. Hed ragdoll peter, hed ragdoll norman, and hed ragdoll oc..venom could hang but that's if its Brock not Flash. Now i know someone will say Flash took on Rulk!! But Rulk was getting worfed during that time. And he's not exactly impressive as his predecessor imo. And im still not convinced Electros powers will affect him.
You could be right, but I don't know enough about the characters either way.
Originally posted by maxivitopowe
Does this make sense to anyone?
Weird to respond to this now, when you saw it the other day. I'm glad you have an account I can quote though.
Most of my post were in reply to something ironically stupid like this. From page 2, by your lover.
"Almost any on that list would be a good fight, one on one, for Aquaman. Arthur has good fights with Black Manta, and he's basically a Spiderman villain in power level. In fact, I'd give at least half of that list a majority against Black Manta, hard.
Arthur doesn't have any showings to show he'd take this group. The only thing he has going for him is strength."
It's ironically stupid because it brings the match physical, ignores context on the instances he brought up, and ironic because it's purely lows with context to combat consistent highs.
Originally posted by DarkSaint85
EG is basically saying if everyone went fisticuffs only (which is...kinda weird for people like Electro) then AM wins.Rhino (before his upgrade) fought Savage Hulk for DAYS:
http://imgur.com/a/nbqBx
That's not what I'm saying at all, physical as in external harm a term I used repetitively in this thread.
Aquaman's trident Absorbed an Energy blast that eviscerated Etrigan.
And he took blast from Fire trolls capable of burning Lobo's flesh so I'm a bit skeptic about Electro being able to harm him.
The consistency game is a bit funny given the things being brought up for Spidey villains. I'm still questioning the Nate instance which noone seems to be wanting to give me an issue number to.
You said in another thread that Hulkbusters aren't that impressive, lots of characters tend to have lasting power against characters superior to them. It doesn't put them in that class.
Originally posted by EcstaticGrace
Weird to respond to this now, when you saw it the other day. I'm glad you have an account I can quote though.Most of my post were in reply to something ironically stupid like this. From page 2, by your lover.
"Almost any on that list would be a good fight, one on one, for Aquaman. Arthur has good fights with Black Manta, and he's basically a Spiderman villain in power level. In fact, I'd give at least half of that list a majority against Black Manta, hard.
Arthur doesn't have any showings to show he'd take this group. The only thing he has going for him is strength."
It's ironically stupid because it brings the match physical, ignores context on the instances he brought up, and ironic because it's purely lows with context to combat consistent highs.
You bring up lows as well though. What's the difference here?
Originally posted by EcstaticGrace
Examples?Difference is the main lows he brought up into mention, has context being that Aquaman is holding back for the majority of the encounter.
Or Manta only gets a hit in to start with by surprise.
http://www.killermovies.com/forums/showthread.php?threadid=639281&pagenumber=5
"Struggle with squids".
This is worst than being beaten by Manta.