Cin Drallig vs Kas'im

Originally posted by TenebrousWay
Drallig certainly wins the hype contest.

Yes, Draling hype boils down to basically being "one of" the best duelist of his era, and he's gotten praise from Dooku. Kas'im was the greatest in his era and was praised by Darth Bane.

Not seeing any big difference there at all.

Originally posted by Deronn_solo
With an Force attack. Kas'im was shitting on Bane the moment he switch to his likely preferred lightsaber form. Even before then, the only reason Bane was winning was because his astronomical strength in the Force - something Cin doesn't have hear. Aside from that - Kas is pretty far above guys that can stomp high-level masters of multiple forms, and, even though i find the Tuk'ata scaling thing to be bullshit, Bane fighting through scores of them while being in less than optimal state is pretty damn impressive, yet, Kas was still his superior.

But again, it's not hard to surpass Cin's shitty feat because being stomped in emphatic fashion isn't anything to really talk about at all.

Yeah Kasim could beat a trainee, whose training he deliberatly sabotaged to not pose a threat to him, by switching to a form that the aformentioned trainee didn't know. Holy f-ucking shit, what a feat.

Originally posted by Deronn_solo
And this is why I don't really want to bother debating with you. If you're going to converse with God [me], leave the absolutely crappy trash at the door step.

Only thing godly about you is your narcissism. When you gona realize you aren't the awesome debater you think you were years ago? Finish 1 f-ucking debate and then call yourself a good debater. Until then it's just a pathetic bravado. It seems to be your only solace these days...

Originally posted by Deronn_solo
Honestly, Dooku's praise is better than those accolades, lmao. Just a bunch of lip-service and factually incorrect statements E.I. "unparalleled skill". 😂
Leaves me wondering why you shit on Hord when Cin is more or less, in the same boat.

Those coming from an objective source are better than anything Kasim has. By a mile.

Originally posted by Deronn_solo
Based on what? Please don't say that over-hyped magnaguard feats, lmao.

>Brings up Tukata scaling
>Calls the magnaguard feat over-hyped

Retardness 101 displayed in this thread by DC...

Originally posted by Deronn_solo
Yes, Draling hype boils down to basically being "one of" the best duelist of his era, and he's gotten praise from Dooku. Kas'im was the greatest in his era and was praised by Darth Bane.

Not seeing any big difference there at all.

Cin was one of the best of an era that has Yoda, Mace, Dooku, Anakin, Sidious, Kenobi etc, Kasim is one of the best of an era with Hoth and Raskta.

Cin was prased by a top 5 duelist of all time, Kasim was praised by a trainee.

DC you should f-ucking retire. This is beyond degrading for you.

Originally posted by Deronn_solo
Yes, Draling hype boils down to basically being "one of" the best duelist of his era, and he's gotten praise from Dooku. Kas'im was the greatest in his era and was praised by Darth Bane.

Not seeing any big difference there at all.

Being praised by Dooku as capable to embarass OCW Grievous >>> Being praised by a trainee that didn't know Jar'kai.

😉

Didn't the Cin embrassing GG quote said something about Shaak, in the first version? Also, I don't would take the word of a pissed-off Dooku too seriously.

Not seriously as in Cin being able to beat Grievous? Naturally. But he wasn't just pissing out names in random. Dooku was listing people who he thought are good. Which is a praise.

I know.
Cin coming in his mind instead of Agen, Kit, Saesee, Plo, Mundi etc. is damn good.

Cin's hype is really impressive, certainly more impressive than Kas'im's by a significant margin. However, his actual showing is the shit my shit shits. What you guys are debating here [which showing is less shittier], is honestly, hard to analyze.

I mean, Cin lost to an Anakin that wasn't actually even trying, as he was choking another Jedi whilst fending off his attacks with extreme ease. As good as Anakin is, that's utter ownage at its maximum. For being considered one of the best in the Order, the Battlemaster and the Chief of Security, he certainly wasn't even close to living up to it all.

I'm not saying Kas'im would win, tho.

Originally posted by Petrus
Cin's hype is really impressive, certainly more impressive than Kas'im's by a significant margin. However, his actual showing is the shit my shit shits. What you guys are debating here [which showing is less shittier], is honestly, hard to analyze.

I mean, Cin lost to an Anakin that wasn't actually even trying, as he was choking another Jedi whilst fending off his attacks with extreme ease. As good as Anakin is, that's utter ownage at its maximum. For being considered one of the best in the Order, the Battlemaster and the Chief of Security, he certainly wasn't even close to living up to it all.

I'm not saying Kas'im would win, tho.

Also could Dooku have possibly been biased towards older Jedi when citing Cin? Maybe he was unaware of other member's power growths in his ten year absence.

Originally posted by Kurk
Dooku was basically choking out Kenobi while fending off Anakin, does that mean he wasnt trying and doing it with ease?

Dooku choked Kenobi for only a couple of seconds and blasted him away with TK to continue to deal with Anakin alone. It's pretty obvious that Dooku would not have been able to handle choking Kenobi + fending off Anakin for more time.

Originally posted by Petrus
Dooku choked Kenobi for only a couple of seconds and blasted him away with TK to continue to deal with Anakin alone. It's pretty obvious that Dooku would not have been able to handle choking Kenobi + fending off Anakin for more time.

Originally posted by Kurk
he choked Kenobi first, blocked Anakin, kicked Anakin away, then ragdolled kenobi

Big difference from killing Drallig with his lightsaber whilst simultaneously choking someone, effortlessly.

Dooku did those things in a matter of seconds; he couldn't afford to hold Anakin off with one hand and choke Kenobi with the other for longer than a couple of seconds, or he'd be overwhelmed.

Originally posted by Petrus
Big difference from killing Drallig with his lightsaber whilst simultaneously choking someone, effortlessly.

Dooku did those things in a matter of seconds; he couldn't afford to hold Anakin off with one hand and choke Kenobi with the other for longer than a couple of seconds, or he'd be overwhelmed.

Originally posted by Petrus
Cin's hype is really impressive, certainly more impressive than Kas'im's by a significant margin. However, his actual showing is the shit my shit shits. What you guys are debating here [which showing is less shittier], is honestly, hard to analyze.

I mean, Cin lost to an Anakin that wasn't actually even trying, as he was choking another Jedi whilst fending off his attacks with extreme ease. As good as Anakin is, that's utter ownage at its maximum. For being considered one of the best in the Order, the Battlemaster and the Chief of Security, he certainly wasn't even close to living up to it all.

I'm not saying Kas'im would win, tho.

Originally posted by Kurk
not sure what makes it look effortless for one but not effortless for the other.

Because Dooku wouldn't have been able to choke Kenobi plus simultaneously fend off Anakin for more than a couple of seconds, as he would've been overwhelmed and killed.

Anakin, on the other hand, killed both of his opponents.

Originally posted by Petrus
Because Dooku wouldn't have been able to choke Kenobi plus simultaneously fend off Anakin for more than a couple of seconds, as he would've been overwhelmed and killed.

Anakin, on the other hand, killed both of his opponents.

this doesn't matter, being wrecked by anakin doesn't remotely invalidate any of the accolades and would happen to kas'm as well, the points still moot.

Originally posted by Kurk
speculation. I mean a person watching the films wouldn't know the difference without background info

It's not speculation, bro. We saw what happened afterwards. Dooku dies at the hands of Anakin. There's absolutely no way Dooku would've been able to fend off Anakin whilst choking Kenobi for more than a couple seconds and not die. You know it.

Originally posted by Rockydonovang
this doesn't matter, being wrecked by anakin doesn't remotely invalidate any of the accolades and would happen to kas'm as well, the points still moot.

It doesn't invalidate them per se, but it sure as hell does make them seem much less impressive.

Sure, sure, there is no shame in being decimated by Knightfall Anakin, but you'd think a guy that was the Battlemaster, lightsaber instructor and praised by Dooku as one of the stellar swordsmen of the Order would put up at least a minimal fight against Anakin. Instead, Anakin completely shits on him with one hand while choking another Jedi. Imho, he didn't live up to his hype even a little bit.

Originally posted by Petrus
It's not speculation, bro. We saw what happened afterwards. Dooku dies at the hands of Anakin. There's absolutely no way Dooku would've been able to fend off Anakin whilst choking Kenobi for more than a couple seconds and not die. You know it.

It doesn't invalidate them per se, but it sure as hell does make them seem much less impressive.

Sure, sure, there is no shame in being decimated by Knightfall Anakin, but you'd think a guy that was the Battlemaster, lightsaber instructor and praised by Dooku as one of the stellar swordsmen of the Order would put up at least a minimal fight against Anakin. Instead, Anakin completely shits on him with one hand while choking another Jedi. Imho, he didn't live up to his hype even a little bit.

Originally posted by Kurk
The movie portrays it as if Anakin was only able to stand toe-to-toe with Dooku after Kenobi was ragdolled, and managed to defeat him after the dun moch scene. Before that there was nothing to suggest that Dooku was struggling.

So, you truly believe Dooku would've been able to hold off Anakin whilst choking Kenobi with the other hand? And actually win? Is that what you're saying?