people really exaggerate hwo nerfed he was in tcw and tend to ignore the context and circumstances surrounding the showings.
TCW grevious stalemating/beating tcw kenobi as a duelist(not counting force use) despite a form disadvantage is one of his best showings in the entire mythos. The same could be said of him walking through a weakened mother talzin's shield after getting force blasted and tanking a massive fall vs maul.
You do realize Filoni has personally stated that Grievous is a Jedi Council duelist at best?
And then we have classical EU stating that Grievous rivals Windu and is impossibly fast for any Jedi.
The difference isn't an exaggeration. It's intentional. Lucas and Dave don't view Grievous like the EU authors.
And what is this "form disadvantage" nonsense? Grievous is equipped to handle any form.
Originally posted by DarthAnt66
You do realize Filoni has personally stated that Grievous is a Jedi Council duelist at best?And then we have classical EU stating that Grievous rivals Windu and is impossibly fast for any Jedi.
The difference isn't an exaggeration. It's intentional. Lucas and Dave don't view Grievous like the EU authors.
And what is this "form disadvantage" nonsense? Grievous is equipped to handle any form.
And then there's Fact File which claims that TCW Kenobi and Grievous are near equals.
Originally posted by DarthAnt66
You do realize Filoni has personally stated that Grievous is a Jedi Council duelist at best?And then we have classical EU stating that Grievous rivals Windu and is impossibly fast for any Jedi.
The difference isn't an exaggeration. It's intentional. Lucas and Dave don't view Grievous like the EU authors.
And what is this "form disadvantage" nonsense? Grievous is equipped to handle any form.
b. compared to how nerfed say anakin its not big at all.
c. kenobi's soresu is a badmatchup for grevious per windu
Originally posted by TenebrousWay
Old EU Grievous even pushed Dooku hard, despite the fact the Count didn't teach everything he knew to him. OCW Grievous can only be defeated in sabers by Dooku, arguably Mace and Yoda.TCW Grievous is a huge jobber that probably isn't even much more skilled than the Grand Inquisitor, after all.
Originally posted by Rockydonovang
yea, because the grand inqusitor can match tcw kenobi, drive back fisto+vebb, steadily drive back koth with two blades, quickly beat galia with two blades, take on maul ect. Even say tcw ahsoka, who grevious had fleeing in less than a munite, would wreck the inqusitor
The Grand Inquisitor can be compared to Ventress, despite being decisively inferior. TCW Grievous not being "much more skilled" than that is enough for him to replicate those feats.
Originally posted by Rockydonovang
a. source? either how that doesn't really make much sense since tcw is full of grevious beating council level duesits despite unfavorable circumstances. Driving back fisto and his padawan despite fisto's shi cho and an unfavorable enviroment, wrecking galia despite only using two blades, even beating kenobi ect.
"I still don't believe that, at this point -- one-to-one -- that Grievous could really take out someone like Ventress in a lightsaber fight. I mean, it's just me, but he doesn't have the Force. He can't wield it. I don't see how he can hope to be as proficient as a Jedi or a Sith could be fighting with a lightsaber, which is why he's always willing to dirty play at the end of the day."
"Yeah, it's in the movie. Mace Windu says, "General Grievous will run and hide, as he always does." He's an interesting character for all that thought. And obviously, you know, he's adept at using lightsabers, but I always thought his thing was fear. If you are afraid of the many swirling blades, then you'll parish staring at them. But if you can just focus through it, you can defeat that opponent "
You do realize that there's really no such thing as "form advantages" in TCW / Canon, right? That's not even much of a thing in Legends, BTW.
b. compared to how nerfed say anakin its not big at all.
You mean the Anakin who performed ridiculously impressive vs Dooku in the TCW movie, and then again in S4?
c. kenobi's soresu is a badmatchup for grevious per windu
Sigh, no, Windu never said that. Soresu isn't a bad match-up for Grievous... Kenobi himself, as both the person and the fighter, is.
The sheer simplicity that Kenobi brings to the battlefield, in both technique and mindset, is the ultimate counter to Grievous' overpowering and larger-than-life nature.
"The electrodrivers that powered Grievous's limbs could move them faster than the human eye can see; when he swung his arm, it and his fist and the lightsaber within it would literally vanish: wiped from existence-
"No human being could move remotely as fast as Grievous,"
- ROTS Novelization
"Grievous moved so swiftly that he seemed to teleport from the window to half a meter in front of Gunray."
- ROTS Novelization
"The impact sent Obi-Wan tumbling sideways and the electroburst discharge set his robe on fire. Grievous stayed right with him, attacking before Obi-Wan could even realize faster than thought."
ROTS Novelization
"Maybe [Anakin] was still a bit flash-blind-the Korun Master seemed to be fading in and out of existence, half swallowed by a thickening black haze in which danced a meter-long bar of sunfire."
- ROTS Novelization
Going by statements/headcanon alone, Grievous should be faster than a Vaapad amped Mace and therefor be around Sidious in terms of speed.