Omni King Zeno vs The Ivory Kings

The Beyonders from Hickman's Secret Wars go against the Supreme Being of the DB Multiverse. Who wins this epic matchup? Fight takes place in the infinite void thet Basil and Majin Buu are fighting in.

VERSUS:

Don't know enough about the Ivory Kings to comment, but judging from your other recent threads, I think it's fair to assume the DB character loses.

The entire MU is a speck to the Beyonder-verse.

Only three Beyonders killed Living Tribunal in a fight that took place on every plane of reality at the same time (Infinite universes of them).

That's way, waaaay above smoking 14 or whatever universes.

Originally posted by NewGuy01
Don't know enough about the Ivory Kings to comment, but judging from your other recent threads, I think it's fair to assume the DB character loses.

You appear to rate comics too highly, then.

Originally posted by cdtm
The entire MU is a speck to the Beyonder-verse.

Only three Beyonders killed Living Tribunal in a fight that took place on every plane of reality at the same time (Infinite universes of them).

That's way, waaaay above smoking 14 or whatever universes.

Sure, but we also saw Thor and Hyperion take on a battalion of them, and starbrand's suicide detonation killed a couple of them. Then there's the fact that Doom overpowered the entire Beyonder Race in a battle of wills, and a mass Owen suicide detonation that destroyed a few thousand universes, (yes I understand that's a lot more than what Zeno did in the FT arc) killed them all, IIRC. The nature of the abstracts in Marvel make them incredibly shaky in terms of power, (heck, look at the most recent issues of Ultimates).

Zeno can win this, imo.

Zeno looses.

Why?

Hype is Marvel's version of Superman, it's no wonder he can beat a Beyonder. That's just how Supermen role. 😉

Originally posted by XSUPREMEXSKILLZ
Why?

Because of the scope shown in Marvel compared to DB. They operate on much much much bigger scale than Zeno.

And I'd argue the DB Multiverse is on a much smaller scale than Zeno operates as well, given that he can erase it and everyone in it instantly and effortlessly.

Circular logic. And a no limits falicy.

Maybe Zeno operates at a much higher level, but we only have the level he's operated at. Even if he could destroy infinite amount of universes, he doesn't have those feats yet. While Beyonders actually did fight with an omniversal guardian across infinite universes.

On their high end the Ivory Kings wins.

On their low end they get steamrolled.

The Beyonders are as one writer pointed out, to be seen as the kryptonite of the Abstracts, take that for what you will.

Zeno wins. Starbrand killed one of those Beyonders with a planetary level attack.

Originally posted by cdtm
Maybe Zeno operates at a much higher level, but we only have the level he's operated at. Even if he could destroy infinite amount of universes, he doesn't have those feats yet. While Beyonders actually did fight with an omniversal guardian across infinite universes.

Exactly.

Originally posted by Utrigita
On their high end the Ivory Kings wins.

On their low end they get steamrolled.

Exactly.

Originally posted by cdtm
Circular logic. And a no limits falicy.

Fallacy. *

And how is what I said either of those things?

Originally posted by cdtm
Maybe Zeno operates at a much higher level, but we only have the level he's operated at. Even if he could destroy infinite amount of universes, he doesn't have those feats yet. While Beyonders actually did fight with an omniversal guardian across infinite universes.

Yes...and we've seen Zeno operate at a much higher level based on what he's done. He can kill every god, angel, and universe, instantly and effortlessly. If that doesn't show he's on a whole different level than the DBM, I don't know what does.

Thor and Hype fought hordes of Beyonders, starbrand's planet level attack killed a couple of them, Doom and Strange defeated all of them in a battle of wills, etc. as Bendis stated, the Beyonders are kryptonite to the abstracts. There's a reason why the universal Adam Warbunal is capable of fighting off the Beyonders, while the Multiversal LT and other abstracts were not. The abstracts have wildly fluctuating levels of power depending on their role and who they're interacting with. IIRC Lord Chaos has had trouble restraining Hulk, and Scathan saved LT from the Protege.