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Is there a serious problem with our MSM?
Given this "war on the media" that is unfolding around us, I wonder what people think about the statement that there is a serious serious problem with our media?
It's no doubt there are some in this country who agree, but there are others who seem to think that obviously while it could certainly use some improvement..it isn't as bad as some make it out to be.
So is there a serious serious problem here with our mainstream media?
The 'war on the media' is just a distraction used by the current administration. Look how they'll condemn one outlet and praise another, despite the media outlet they're praising has had evident issues with pushing bogus material and/or an agenda.
Curious, what do you consider the MSM to be, at least it's key players.
Originally posted by Robtard
[B]The 'war on the media' is just a distraction used by the current administration. Look how they'll condemn one outlet and praise another, despite the media outlet they're praising has had evident issues with pushing bogus material and/or an agenda.
It's why I put it in quotes, but this isn't the first administration to treat certain outlets like shit(see our prior administration and FOX). On top of that, it doesn't actually tell us if there is or is not a serious problem.
Curious, what do you consider the MSM to be, at least it's key players.
Biggest players seem to be places like CNN, NBC, FOX. Then you have other outlets, like the New York Times. Washington Post has to be included as well I'd say.
Those are far from the only ones.
IMO, when I see stuff like what NBC did with those kids..and other stuff like CNN insinuating Trump caused the Sweden riots(or the shit they pulled with the Milwaukee riots) I see serious problems and those are only a few things that happened in the last 3-6 months.
There are also problems though because a relatively unknown news outlet(thus not normally part of the mainstream) or an outlet that usually isn't taken seriously..if they have the right article, that stuff can end up getting shared a lot. Look at Buzzfeed, total shit..but how many outlets pounced on the Russian dossier news? I don't see Buzzfeed as part of the MSM, but their one article sure as hell went mainstream. So did they temporarily become a part of the mainstream..at least concerning that article?
You also didn't answer: is there a serious problem with the MSM?
Originally posted by Surtur
It's why I put it in quotes, but this isn't the first administration to treat certain outlets like shit(see our prior administration and FOX). On top of that, it doesn't actually tell us if there is or is not a serious problem.Biggest players seem to be places like CNN, NBC, FOX. Then you have other outlets, like the New York Times. Washington Post has to be included as well I'd say.
Those are far from the only ones.
IMO, when I see stuff like what NBC did with those kids..and other stuff like CNN insinuating Trump caused the Sweden riots(or the shit they pulled with the Milwaukee riots) I see serious problems and those are only a few things that happened in the last 3-6 months.
There are also problems though because a relatively unknown news outlet(thus not normally part of the mainstream) or an outlet that usually isn't taken seriously..if they have the right article, that stuff can end up getting shared a lot. Look at Buzzfeed, total shit..but how many outlets pounced on the Russian dossier news? I don't see Buzzfeed as part of the MSM, but their one article sure as hell went mainstream. So did they temporarily become a part of the mainstream..at least concerning that article?
You also didn't answer: is there a serious problem with the MSM?
Conflating the critics Obama levied at Fox News over eight years compared to the scorched earth war the Trump admin is pushing against "the media" is silly and dishonest.
I'd say no, there isn't a serious problem taking it in as a whole. The biggest fake news spreaders tends to be from fringe outlets and sites like Breibart.
Originally posted by Surtur
It's why I put it in quotes, but this isn't the first administration to treat certain outlets like shit(see our prior administration and FOX). On top of that, it doesn't actually tell us if there is or is not a serious problem.Biggest players seem to be places like CNN, NBC, FOX. Then you have other outlets, like the New York Times. Washington Post has to be included as well I'd say.
Those are far from the only ones.
IMO, when I see stuff like what NBC did with those kids..and other stuff like CNN insinuating Trump caused the Sweden riots(or the shit they pulled with the Milwaukee riots) I see serious problems and those are only a few things that happened in the last 3-6 months.
There are also problems though because a relatively unknown news outlet(thus not normally part of the mainstream) or an outlet that usually isn't taken seriously..if they have the right article, that stuff can end up getting shared a lot. Look at Buzzfeed, total shit..but how many outlets pounced on the Russian dossier news? I don't see Buzzfeed as part of the MSM, but their one article sure as hell went mainstream. So did they temporarily become a part of the mainstream..at least concerning that article?
You also didn't answer: is there a serious problem with the MSM?
Conflating the critics Obama levied at Fox News over eight years compared to the scorched earth war the Trump admin is pushing against "the media" is silly and dishonest. Remember, we're only starting our second month of Trump Co.
I'd say no, there isn't a serious problem taking it in as a whole. The biggest fake news spreaders tends to be from fringe outlets and sites like Breibart.
Originally posted by Robtard
Correct, Trump's admin is not. And what I said, which was the reason you brought it up, to mitigate away. Can we not play these games for once? Thanks.
Nobody is playing games but you it seems. I point out it's not the first administration to treat the press badly. Made no mention of time frames or anything like that. You felt you had to run and defend the Obama administration.
Yep, it's been only a month and yep, they've gone after Trump way way harder than Obama.
So indeed, we need not play games, but something tells me this won't be the last we hear of this.
I think the biggest issue arises from the proliferation of the 24 hour news networks, and thus the 24 hour news cycle that now exists. The three big news stations all must cover something over the course of a day, even if there isn't anything particularly important or news worthy going on, and so you see them exaggerating stories constantly and talking about relatively unimportant things for hours and hours. You see constant "breaking news" alerts for practically nothing. Also because each network is competing not only with the other networks, but websites, they sometimes rush their stories, which increases the likelihood of making a mistake and getting something wrong.
There's also a problem with all of these networks being first and foremost entertainment, and conveying actual news and information a far distant second, as far as priorities go. They want as many eyeballs as possible, and so they'll talk about whatever they can to get those eyeballs, even if it's something superfluous. Of course, this also enhances their partisanship, they are all going for a specific audience, and don't want to lose that audience, so they will generally report things in a way that reinforces their audience's bias, telling them only what they want to hear as much as they possibly can.
The bias that exists in the media isn't new, though. There have always been left leaning and right leaning publications. The partisanship is worse now in that regard, but it's worse in pretty much every aspect of society, it's not unique to the media.
So yeah, there are problems, but they're pretty easy to avoid - just don't watch the 24 hour news networks. There are plenty of good news websites out there to get decent news and information.
Originally posted by Bashar Teg
sure whirly was trolling, but he brought up a question which crosses my mind often. do you have a job, surt? a bit of a derailment, i admit. however since the topic is just more purely hypocritical whiney nonsense, i kinda feel justified in asking.
No, I no longer work due to health reasons.
Anyways, what do you make of this story:
O'Keefe Drops "Bombshell" Undercover Footage From Within CNN
Admittedly it's from O'Keefe, but he's actually providing the footage and apparently asking for help from others in sifting through it so..I dunno, I am curious. I could post a new topic for it, but I feel it could be justified discussing it here.