Originally posted by golem370Azog would crush the cave troll and he already put Gandalf on his ass who later fled from him. Gandalf fled from him earlier in the previous film.
Quan knows Gandalf would win, just like he knows the Cave Troll would pummel Azog in to dust.
Ps. Surtur is only a troll these days.
Not that I think anyone really has doubts here, but this clip alone shows how ridiculously above Azog Gandalf is when he gets serious. Love this scene, one of my favorites.
YouTube video
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=na0B1vFM84Q
Skip to 04:01 for the heavy action to start.
04:33 and again at 04:38, The Balrog pummels Gandalf and he shrugs it off like the beast he is
04:45, Balrog grabs Gandalf and attempts to crush him
There's context to that scene that isn't available nor beneficial for Gandalf against Azog. He relies on those crystals or what not he puts into his staff. He's also highly resistant to fire. Did you miss the scene where in a one on one confrontation Gandalf looked downright abysmal and buffoonish. We don't ignore his portrayals and dismiss the context from the Balrog fight which does not apply to Azog. Nor does the Balrog possess the skill and battle savvy of Azog.
I'm aware of this fire resistance as I've noted several times in here what Gandalf was possibly referring to during his monologue against the Balrog in previous Gandalf threads.
Getting smashed twice and then crushed in a giant's grip has nothing to do with being fire resistant though, that durability translates into this fight. He also fought the balrog with his sword for days, without rest, his stamina is incredible. Gandalf is well above and beyond Azog (who is very formidable, especially for an Orc). You're just on an Azog high right now, so you'll argue endlessly against logic.
Originally posted by RobtardGandalf had the protection on the ring and needed the storm to finally slay and double ko himself due to the exhaustion. If Azog connects with Gandalf he's going to cut into his flesh. Azog has displayed more skill and the Balrog is a lot slower than Azog. There's nothing to suggest he's beyond Azog especially since we've seen the two interact with each other on screen.
I'm aware of this fire resistance as I've noted several times in here what Gandalf was possibly referring to during his monologue against the Balrog in previous Gandalf threads.Getting smashed twice and then crushed in a giant's grip has nothing to do with being fire resistant though. Neither does fighting the Balrog with his sword for days. Gandalf is well above and beyond Azog (who is very formidable for an Orc).
Gandalf gets exaggerated for two things. One his feat against the Balrog. Secondly his feat against Aragorn and Legolas which doesn't erase the other displays of his fighting prowess throughout the films.
If Azog connects, sure, Gandalf would be cut, but he's incredibly durable still. "If" is the thing though, Gandalf could just TK Azog's orc ass over and over until he's beaten down and then move in for the mercy kill. Azog has absolutely no defense against Gandalf's TK, though imo, Gandalf wouldn't need TK, but it's the surest and safest way here.
What's Azog going to do against Gandalf's TK?
Couldn't Gandalf cause Azog's weapons to become red hot like he did to Aragorn and Gimli's weapons in Fangorn Forest in Two Towers? Also deflected one of Legolas' arrows whilst performing the abovementioned feat.
I liked Azog as a villain, and I don't think The Hobbit trilogy is dog turd, but Gandalf is leagues above him. The Balrog and Saruman fights display both physical capabilities and hax for Gandalf that Azog can't overcome or even counter to begin with.
EDIT: Yes, Gandalf lost to Saruman. Saruman was leagues beyond Azog and was Gandalf's superior in the wizard power department.
Originally posted by John Murdoch
Couldn't Gandalf cause Azog's weapons to become red hot like he did to Aragorn and Gimli's weapons in Fangorn Forest in Two Towers? Also deflected one of Legolas' arrows whilst performing the abovementioned feat.I liked Azog as a villain, and I don't think The Hobbit trilogy is dog turd, but Gandalf is leagues above him. The Balrog and Saruman fights display both physical capabilities and hax for Gandalf that Azog can't overcome or even counter to begin with.
That was Gandalf the White, a more powerful version, so we can't really transfer feats on over. He doesn't need it though, all he needs is his sword and his TK, which he has as the Grey.
Originally posted by Robtard
That was Gandalf the White, a more powerful version, so we can't really transfer feats on over. He doesn't need it though, all he needs is his sword and his TK, which he has as the Grey.
Ha, my bad Rob, read the description, forgot the title already clarified the version in battle here. But yes, Grey had TK and the superhuman battle vs the Balrog. That's more than enough here.
Originally posted by RobtardGandalf only showed himself up to the task of barely tking him at bay without harming him whatsoever. We see him tk Saruman and he didn't really hurt the older, less muscled body.
If Azog connects, sure, Gandalf would be cut, but he's incredibly durable still. "If" is the thing though, Gandalf could just TK Azog's orc ass over and over until he's beaten down and then move in for the mercy kill. Azog has absolutely no defense against Gandalf's TK, though imo, Gandalf wouldn't need TK, but it's the surest and safest way here.What's Azog going to do against Gandalf's TK?
Sooner or later Azog is going to pounce on him.
It won't get the win and then it's a matter of time. Gandalf didn't hurt him at all so it's a stretch.
Originally posted by quanchi112
Gandalf only showed himself up to the task of barely tking him at bay without harming him whatsoever. We see him tk Saruman and he didn't really hurt the older, less muscled body.Sooner or later Azog is going to pounce on him.
It won't get the win and then it's a matter of time. Gandalf didn't hurt him at all so it's a stretch.
Fist of all, Sarumon isn't some frail old man, despite looking that way; neither is Gandalf and Sarumon was hurt by the attacks, you hear him groaning. Second, Gandalf's TK can send squads of goblins flying, even knocking down and temporarily incapacitating the Goblin King who is very much larger and heavier than Azog.
Azog would be ass blasted by that attack, as Azog has absolutely no defense against TK. This thread is finished, at least in reality.
Originally posted by RobtardWormtail killed him with a knife stab. What did he do durability wise to show he's some uber badass ?
Fist of all, Sarumon isn't some frail old man, despite looking that way; neither is Gandalf and Sarumon was hurt by the attacks, you hear him groaning. Second, Gandalf's TK can send squads of goblins flying, even knocking down and temporarily incapacitating the Goblin King who is very much larger and heavier than Azog.Azog would be ass blasted by that attack, as Azog has absolutely no defense against TK. This thread is finished, at least in reality.
Knocked goblins off their feet. It didn't cause any significant damage by the force of the tk alone just as it didn't to Saruman. Just as it knocked the goblins down but didn't kill or seriously injure any of them it delays the inevitable. Azog kills him with his blade or mace. He might be warded off or knocked back but nothing to even seriously injure Azog. Azog kills him.