Re: What are the top 5 prep feats in Comic Books
Originally posted by golem370
What and why?
I say this a bit tongue in cheek, but Batman having a hollowed-out tooth that has a mini-gas canister in it is true dedication. Not the greatest of prep feats, but that man is dedicated (and crazier than MoonKnight ...one reason I don't like Bruce is he is worse than the Joker. He is literally mad. Even worse, he has killed hundreds if not thousands by capturing criminals so they can be jailed, knowing very well those criminals will escape and kill more. He has killed many indirectly, and if he was more like Frank Castle that wouldn't have been the case).
Anyway, Batman is one of the most flawed characters in comics, and if I existed in a comic I would strive to kill him (after killing Superman, the greatest monster, first).
But with that said, while not the greatest feat, that tooth thing shows proper thought. A gas canister as a tooth just in case you are bound and can't move. Genius.
Pretty decent prep feat, I would say. Link to review (not mine) at end.
Beware: Spoilers for Secret Avengers #20
Warren Goddamned Ellis. He's no mere "fill-in." That much is evidenced by the fact that he opens Secret Avengers #20 by killing Steve Rogers, Sharon Carter and James Rhodes.
Cue Ellis unspooling a really cool stand-alone time-travel tale that also reminds us that, oh yeah, the Black Widow is the world's greatest secret agent.
I know, the notion of a "cool time-travel tale" might seem like an oxymoron these days, when the concept gives people more headaches than it does good times. It's certainly no thrill for Natasha Romanova, as she has to jump back in time not only to escape death at the hands of the Shadow Council (the one through-line connecting Ellis' stand-alone adventures), but to go through a huge, elaborate, nearly five-month-long rigamarole to erase the deaths of her teammates without flouting the maxim: "The flow of time must be preserved."
Ellis' intricately constructed time-travel plot is still as brain-breaking as any – part of Natasha's task in the past is to finance the man who built the time-travel device in the first place, "Count" Oscar Khronus, to actually build it so she can use it to make him build it. Head already hurts. Then there's the bit where she has to go to a terrorist named Death-Ray Evans to reverse engineer a defense for the Shadow Council's high-tech guns – only to have it play out that Evans is the man who sold the designs for the gun to the Shadow Council after she provided him a sample to reverse-engineer.
But Ellis makes this not only palatable but actively cool.
While the adventure she's on is cool to read, it's the very end where Natasha proves why she's the best there is at what she does. She started this mission not knowing a thing about time travel, and when she ends it eighteen weeks later, she does it without telling anybody what happened. Because she's a secret agent and that means she can keep a goddamned secret.
Always read Warren Ellis. He makes great comics and he makes comics great.
Read more at http://www.craveonline.com/site/180663-secret-avengers-20-always-read-warren-ellis#iH6CmCuzDtsAlzsD.99
Re: Re: Re: What are the top 5 prep feats in Comic Books
Originally posted by -Pr-
Wait what?
Absolutely. Batman is a more controlled version of a Joker-type psychopath (in many ways like Dexter from the serial-killer-turned-hunter-of-serial-killers TV show), while Superman is an alien being that looks like us and apes our behavior yet is not of us and has a concentration of power that is highly destabilizing. In the same way the Israelis took out the Iraqi Osirak nuclear reactor, I would want Superman eradicated pre-emptively.
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Re: Re: Re: What are the top 5 prep feats in Comic Books
Originally posted by -Pr-
Wait what?
I understand and even agree to some extent with the frustration people feel when Supes and Bats and everybody else keep on putting the baddies in prison, when clearly they are just going to break out and kill people again. However, I hardly think it's fair to blame them and call them monsters because of that.
At least they are catching the bad guys.
Shouldn't taking care of this be the government's responsibility? Shouldn't the government be the ones who say hey, I think that's enough, let's make sure we take care of this problem, permanently, before he or she breaks out and kill another few thousand people again?
Why should Supes and Bats be the ones who executes the villains, when it's against their beliefs? Their jobs are to catch the bad guys. It's the government's job to make sure those bad guys never kill again.
Re: Re: Re: Re: What are the top 5 prep feats in Comic Books
Originally posted by spetznaz
Absolutely. Batman is a more controlled version of a Joker-type psychopath (in many ways like Dexter from the serial-killer-turned-hunter-of-serial-killers TV show), while Superman is an alien being that looks like us and apes our behavior yet is not of us and has a concentration of power that is highly destabilizing. In the same way the Israelis took out the Iraqi Osirak nuclear reactor, I would want Superman eradicated pre-emptively.r
Okay. Think I misread your first post completely. You think they are monsters and want to eliminate them simply because you feel they MIGHT be a threat?
Originally posted by spetznaz
Absolutely. Batman is a more controlled version of a Joker-type psychopath (in many ways like Dexter from the serial-killer-turned-hunter-of-serial-killers TV show), while Superman is an alien being that looks like us and apes our behavior yet is not of us and has a concentration of power that is highly destabilizing. In the same way the Israelis took out the Iraqi Osirak nuclear reactor, I would want Superman eradicated pre-emptively.r
You should have taken Batfleck's place in BvS.
Originally posted by Dreampanther
I understand and even agree to some extent with the frustration people feel when Supes and Bats and everybody else keep on putting the baddies in prison, when clearly they are just going to break out and kill people again. However, I hardly think it's fair to blame them and call them monsters because of that.At least they are catching the bad guys.
Shouldn't taking care of this be the government's responsibility? Shouldn't the government be the ones who say hey, I think that's enough, let's make sure we take care of this problem, permanently, before he or she breaks out and kill another few thousand people again?
Why should Supes and Bats be the ones who executes the villains, when it's against their beliefs? Their jobs are to catch the bad guys. It's the government's job to make sure those bad guys never kill again.
Yeah, Superman is explicit at times about how he doesn't feel he has the right to be judge, jury and executioner. We've seen in enough alternate universes what happens when he does.
Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: What are the top 5 prep feats in Comic Books
Originally posted by Dreampanther
Okay. Think I misread your first post completely. You think they are monsters and want to eliminate them simply because you feel they MIGHT be a threat?
Absolutely!
In the real world, if such an entity (he'd be a thing not a human) existed, you take it out preemptively. Simply based on what it MIGHT do.
In my occupation in private equity, we have occassionally bought out a company preemptively and added it as a platform to an existing investee company in order to take out potential competition that may lower the valuation of a future liquidity event.
Sometimes you have to make decisions based on what MIGHT happen.
It reminds me of something Pervaz Musharraf, the former despot ruler of Pakistan, said. And I'm not quoting exactly, but it's something along the lines that when ranking your enemies, you do not consider whether they are friends or foes but rather on their capabilities. A country that is your ally but has huge military capability is more of a dangerous threat than a country that is your enemy but has weak military capability? Why? Simply because a weak country is a weak country, but a strong friend may one day change their perspective and become an enemy. Thus in considering threats, consider strength and not whether they are friends or not.
Superman has too much concentrated strength, and the fact he is so 'nice' actually would make me strike at him before I did someone like the Hulk (who's an obvious raging idiot, and thus easier to actually handle).
And you know what's funny ...most powerful nationstates think the same (ask Saddam about his WMDs, or Vietnam about the Gulf of Tolkin incident ....or for that matter many African and Latin American leaders from the 60s and 70s who had the spirit to try and make their countries a better place but in the process went against the interests of the West and/or the Soviets). Many companies do the same thing.
If you're in a fair fight you messed up, and things (things) like Superman, if they existed, should be destroyed. With extreme prejudice. He would simply be too destabilizing for the real world.
Like it was said in the Avengers, Shield started using the tesseract to detour powerful villlains but it also made earth a target to different & more powerful foes.
Iron Man movie Stark made the suit to stop his weapons getting into the wrong hands yet it made the bad guys grave an armored man for there selves.
Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: What are the top 5 prep feats in Comic Books
Originally posted by spetznaz
Absolutely!In the real world, if such an entity (he'd be a thing not a human) existed, you take it out preemptively. Simply based on what it MIGHT do.
This is the issue, right here.
It's a thing. Not a person.