Originally posted by SunRazer
[B]@Az - Right, but at his peak Mace has that darkness, no? Unless the novel mentions that he had already dispelled his darkness, in which case my argument still works fine. The point is that once Mace is going all-out, he can reflect the powers of a greater opponent. The novel establishes Sidious as his limit.
The reason he could perform on Sidious' level was because he was so pissed at Sidious himself. He could direct his anger, which boosted his Vaapad to immense levels. Even if you take peak unamped Mace to be right toward the end of his life, he wouldn't have that advantage against Revan.
But that doesn't really matter. I agree with Beni here: as the new ground realities have established, Mace stomps here anyway.
Originally posted by SunRazer
Funny, because Temp's proposed the same argument before and I didn't see anyone exploding. It seems like it's down to whoever presents the case as opposed to what the case actually is.The thing here is that I'm not using wild powerscaling chains like Azronger; I'm using evidence as seen directly from factual sources. So you can forget playing the ridicule card.
I use factual sources as well. It really is down to who is presenting the case, at least with Ant. He's made this way too personal.
Revan as of SoR had eclipsed the rankings of purely tangible force users (IE Windu, Yoda, Sidious), it was by this point that Revan's power had become so great he could through sheer will power create a physical body for himself.
Death no longer had any effect upon Revan, and even more so any time Revan felt he still he a reason to exist (IE fight Vit), his will reshaped all of reality and he did continue to exist.
Revan had become a avatar of pure will power, whatever Revan truly believed became reality. Thus if Revan believes that he can and or must kill Windu then Windu will die, Revan cannot be killed and or permanently harmed by any of Windu's attacks.
Revan's combat speed is beyond anything Windu or Sidious could even perceive, he no longer uses locomotion to move from point A to point B. Rather Revan uses instantaneous teleporting to wherever he wants to be, Revan could simply extend his light saber, teleport momentarily to a position where it is already through windu's head, and then teleport away.