Baas vs Novel Vitiate

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Kun~Bass>vitiate

Spite. Viti easily

Wollf, you do realize that the Ulic>Vitiate Arguments are actually skechy, and this is coming from me.

Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD
I suppose any notable warrior and his mom is a better fighter than Vitiate.

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Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD
Yet, Vitiate humbled the greatest champion of the Jedi Order - in Revan - in both encounters. 🙄

Through circumstances, yes. But let's look at how Vitiate humbled Revan:

"The Emperor unleashed three more bolts in quick succession. Revan batted the first aside with his lightsaber, ducked the second, then deflected the third back in the direction of its source.

It struck the Emperor in the chest, sending him sliding several meters back on the floor. For the first time the Sith’s emotionless veneer cracked as he let out a primal hiss of hate."

-- Revan Novel

"Three centuries ago, Revan wielded the dual philosophies of Sith passion and Jedi tranquility to conquer his enemies; he even nearly assassinated the Sith Emperor.

-- The Old Republic Encyclopedia

"The Emperor created his first Voice after the legendary Jedi named Revan attempted to assassinate him on Dromund Kaas. Though Revan's plot failed, he approached within striking distance of the Emperor."

-- The Old Republic Encyclopedia

Yeah... Revan must be so humbled by the fact that he nearly killed Vitiate, despite being on a Dark Side nexus that weakened him.

Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD
Vitiate never felt the need to use a melee weapon to defeat an opponent; his powers are more than enough to make-up for this deficiency in Jedi dueling arts (a combat skill that even Darth Plagueis perceived as waste of effort worth investing in). His combat tactics may not comprise of eye-popping action sequences but they are good enough to humble any opponent. OUTCOME is all that matters in the end.

This is all very irrelevant. You can still be a decent fighter despite not using a lightsaber; for example Darth Sidious was dancing around Dark Empire Luke in the Audiodrama. That's a good display of speed and use of power in combat.

Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD
It doesn't matters if Baas was able to contend extremely well with Exar Kun in single combat, performing eye-popping maneuvers during the course of confrontation! He still failed. Vitiate, on the other hand, would overwhelm Exar Kun with his powers from a distance. OUTCOME in both cases is expected to be decisively different and your subjective assessment is worthless.

It does matter given that Exar Kun is canonically better than Vitiate before a vast power-growth. If he couldn't swiftly defeat Vodo, what can Vitiate do to prevent him from closing the distance and knocking his teeth in with his long wood?

Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD
Ah yes ....... let us consider a moment of embarrassment of Alek at the hands of arguably the greatest Mandalorian warrior to have ever existed - during an early stage of the Mandalorian Wars - and use it as a benchmark to evaluate Alek's strength and capabilities by the time he contended with Vitiate alongside Revan. 🙄

Let us also assume that Anakin Skywalker sucks because he got his @ss handed to him by A'sharad Hett in a fight. Nevermind, Anakin's growth in strength and capabilities afterwards.

You mean the Anakin who was: emotionally hindered and exhausted from a long battle that happened previously? Besides, A'Sharad only kicked him once, but that didn't leave Anakin a helpless little b!tch on the floor like what Mandalore did to Ulic.

Anyways, Jango Fett is, IIRC, canonically better than Mandalore the Ultimate, or is inferably better anyways, and he's still a sub-AotC Obi-Wan level character. AotC Obi >>>> Alek, is what I'm getting from this.

Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD
By the way, Ulic Qel-Droma was a Dark Lord of the Sith at that point in time and had fought Exar Kun to a standstill earlier. I wouldn't consider him pre-prime at this point.

Your comparison is useless. See my response to member [B]SunRazer above. [/B]

This was the beginning of the Sith War; Ulic still should've logically grown. See my response to member S_W_LeGenD for reasons as to why Exar Kun, and thus Qel-Droma, are better than Weakiate.

Besides, A'Sharad only kicked him once, but that didn't leave Anakin a helpless little b!tch on the floor like what Mandalore did to Ulic.

I meant Alek. It's not letting me edit, so I'll just leave this here.

Wollf wrecking

Vitiate > Kun.

SoR Revan > Kun.

There's a difference between thinking you've mastered everything and actually learning everything.

Prime Vitiate might be > Kun.

Doubt Novel Vitiate is, tho. :3

He learned all the Jedi had to teach.

He learned how to kick Malak's ass. Twice.

It's also retarded that people say "oh; Scourge helped" when all he did was stab the Exile in the back.

Let me know when Kun is so far > anyone else in the galaxy he goes unquestioned by billions for centuries, tho.

So political control and being capable of stomping utter fodder for centuries(where Revan was in effective stasis) is suddenly a showing of power? LMAO.

Let me know when Vitiate surpasses "the darkest power in the galaxy"(bar the obvious exceptions that retconned said quote; which Vitiate didn't).

Despite being created after said retcon.

Retcons, rather.

You get the Son.
And then you get Abeloth.

And frying 9 Dark Council members at once hardly qualifies as stomping "utter fodder."

Let me know when the Jedi Order's doomed unless someone personally deals with Kun (against whom "legions" have failed).

The problem is, just because a few new characters are suddenly superior to Exar doesn't mean all of them are.

Kun was very much a threat to the Jedi Order. And he sure as hell can stomp a bunch of unknown fodders.