General Rankings 2017

Don't blame me; I'm just going off of the (non-predictive) novel blurb to appease the masses (and myself - so sure; blame me, anyways) by keeping him under Caedus.

Knightfall Vader > Darth Caedus > ROTJ Vader.

Most sources don't formally recognize Anakin as Vader until after Mustafar.

Caedus would get plowed over by Knightfall unless he brought all his esoteric powers to the front and avoided a direct battle via Force Fold, which we never seen him actually do. Even then Knightfall might still pull through.

post the blurb.
Knightfall anakin/yoda/sidious don't get any scaling off caedus, luke, jaina, or any future characters

Originally posted by Geistalt
Force:
1. Luke Skywalker
2. Darth Sidious
3. Valkorion / Yoda
4. Valkorion / Yoda
5. Darth Plagueis
6. Darth Krayt
7. Raynar Thul
8. Revan
9. Kyp Durron
10. Starkiller
11. Dark Apprentice
12. Darth Caedus
13. Knightfall Vader
14. Exar Kun
15. Gethzerion

Excluding Nihilus and Vaylin, 'cause ranking those chars anywhere is cancer.

I mean, sure; Kun has that Hatred he used against the Sith Wyrm. But that was amped.

Who the hell is disintegrating 200-meter frigates?

1.It wasn't even the entire frigate, but what was left of it.

2.Yoda was telekinetically manhandling two Trade Federation Dropships which are hilariously bigger than a Nebulon-B.

3.Kun didn't just shit on the wyrm, he was disintegrating potentially hundreds of Massassi. The text states the rage is from his own heart. Kun has three massive power increases after that.

@geistalt
post the blurb, then we can see if has anything to stand on

Doesn't mean he can grind them into dust.

"Caedus is a scion of both the Skywalker and Solo bloodlines whose command of the Force surpasses even that of his grandfather Darth Vader."

- Legacy of the Force: Invincible

Originally posted by AncientPower
1.It wasn't even the entire frigate, but what was left of it.

2.Yoda was telekinetically manhandling two Trade Federation Dropships which are hilariously bigger than a Nebulon-B.

Right, which is why Revan's TK feats are holistically better.

Starkiller obviously has far more raw power than Revan, but Revan is far better at bringing his power to bear.

On the subject of such, I think one of the main issues with Caedus is his lack of direct showings like Revan has.

Most of his greatest feats in the Force are in the esoteric realm. He has few tremendous telekinetic feats.

Indeed, he's a powerhouse but the opposite of a Kyp Durron.

It's just not as impressive as Alter.

Anyways, according to GL, Knightfall Vader could've beaten Sidious if he hadn't gotten maimed. Doesn't mean he has more Force strength.

Knightfall Vader is unquestionably on par with Sidious and Yoda, both in Canon and Legends. There's no disputing it.

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Well, that whole list is above the 80% of RotJ Sidious mark (what I've often referred to as "the Vader threshold"😉.

Hope you can at least understand how I drew those conclusions. Even if you disagree.

Besides, weaker Force-users take out stronger ones all the time. Just take a look at what Cade did (even though it was, admittedly, a cheap-shot).

A better example would've been the Hero of Tython.

Or Obi-Wan. Or (arguably) Revan.

And, of course, there's Meetra vs. Traya.

Originally posted by AncientPower
Knightfall Vader is unquestionably on par with Sidious and Yoda, both in Canon and Legends. There's no disputing it.