Darth Revan vs Darth Nihilus
Confrontation takes place on the bridge of the Ravager. I think we can all safely agree that Darth Revan is stronger than Darth Traya. But is he capable of beating Nihilus? Nihilus may be more powerful, but could Revan's greater ability in combat afford him the win? Is Nihilus' Drain going to work? Discuss.
Nihilus drained an entire planet of force sensitives and the entire Jedi council, so I’m pretty sure he can handle Darth Revan. Even without Force Drain, Nihilus still wins IMO. His telekinesis is absurdly powerful (capable of moving capital ships and dominating Kreia or the Exile, Marr, and Mandalore combined). He also is a high-level master in telepathic attacks (enslaved an entire crew including Visas Marr), and Force Stun (with the wave of his hand he could incapacitate the Exile, Marr, and Mandalore combined).
Originally posted by SunRazer
I explained my case (briefly) in the ranking Darth Revan thread. I'm of course open to arguments that Traya's stronger, but as of yet I see Revan as the more powerful of the two.
Well, it's pretty easy to remove Traya and Nihilus from the quote about Mandalorian Wars Revan, and once you do it becomes pretty impossible to compare them.
I guess it stems from me still having immense difficulty ranking Traya, and probably seeing Darth Revan lower than most. I mean, if you look at Traya's only quantifiable feats (IE: not really involving the need to scale from other characters) she has arguably one of the greatest set of Sense feats in the entire mythos. She has control feats that eclipse a vast majority of force users that we rank highly.
She lacks alter, simply because of the game engine. There wasn't really any way of destroying the environment on a large scale, so all we see is her dominating other people, which is much easier to lowball...
So really it's difficult to find a definitive placement for her, if I had to rank her in a place I'd always condition it by saying she has a standard deviation. I just think the upper ends of where you could feasibly argue her to be are above Revan.
Originally posted by Selenial
Well, it's pretty easy to remove Traya and Nihilus from the quote about Mandalorian Wars Revan, and once you do it becomes pretty impossible to compare them.I guess it stems from me still having immense difficulty ranking Traya, and probably seeing Darth Revan lower than most. I mean, if you look at Traya's only quantifiable feats (IE: not really involving the need to scale from other characters) she has arguably one of the greatest set of Sense feats in the entire mythos. She has control feats that eclipse a vast majority of force users that we rank highly.
She lacks alter, simply because of the game engine. There wasn't really any way of destroying the environment on a large scale, so all we see is her dominating other people, which is much easier to lowball...
So really it's difficult to find a definitive placement for her, if I had to rank her in a place I'd always condition it by saying she has a standard deviation. I just think the upper ends of where you could feasibly argue her to be are above Revan.
Assuming that Darth Traya is above Jedi Master Kriea as well, Revan's growth in power did not stop either. He explored Malachor V and is confirmed to have learned Sith powers (before) confonting Vitiate, and he would have grown further as Darth Revan.
So Darth Traya's superiority over Darth Revan at any point is unlikely.
Originally posted by S_W_LeGenDHe was the Jedi Order's most powerful champion, Kreia never championed the Jedi Order in any respect.
Revan was the strongest Jedi in the galaxy (before) he became Darth Revan. He was above Jedi Master Kriea during the time of Mandalorian Wars.Assuming that Darth Traya is above Jedi Master Kriea as well, Revan's growth in power did not stop either. He explored Malachor V and is confirmed to have learned Sith powers (before) confonting Vitiate, and he would have grown further as Darth Revan.
So Darth Traya's superiority over Darth Revan at any point is unlikely.
Regardless, I think Revan is more powerful yeah. And Kreia was after all in awe of him.
Originally posted by Beniboybling
Regardless, I think Revan is more powerful yeah. And Kreia was after all in awe of him.
In awe of him before she drained the masters. Don't forget, she was likely in awe of his incredible natural affinity for the force. She cared little for Nihilus' strength because it relied on hunger, that doesn't mean her being in awe of Revan means he's stronger than Nihilus. Drain lends an unnatural strength that she simply didn't respect, doesn't mean her power growth didn't eclipse Darth Revan's.
Originally posted by Nephthys
Peak Traya could reasonably have caught up to him after regaining her powers and draining the Masters.Traya before the betrayal was surely lower than he or Malak tho imo.
Agreed, she seems to tear into her own after draining the masters, to be honest. She has some insane feats before that, but afterwards she literally gives zero ****s about anyone.
I'm not sure she'd be weaker than Darth Malak before the betrayal, it's hard to tell. She evidently cared little for power among the Sith at that point, and made no attempt to dominate the galaxy and take the Star Forge for herself in the DS alternate-continuity. Weaker than Revan for sure, but it's impossible to tell her standing compared to Malak.
Regardless, I don't really think Traya is stronger than Darth Revan. I think there's a pretty strong parity between them.